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post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by chapman2012 View Post

Ok slightly veering off topic, but that's ok. Learning!

So what did I just describe above then? Where my storage drives take 10sec to give me access if they haven't been touched in a while? Like I said, it happens only if "Sleep: ##" is turned on to something other than Never?

If "Sleep" doesn't prevent the drives from spinning down, what exactly does "Sleep" do? Because whatever it does, makes my data not accessible for 10+ second when I need it (which is fine, because I guess I'm using less power with Sleep set to Enabled).......

from MS:
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Sleep is a power-saving state that allows a computer to quickly resume full-power operation (typically within several seconds) when you want to start working again. Putting your computer into the sleep state is like pausing a DVD player—the computer immediately stops what it’s doing and is ready to start again when you want to resume working.

All sleep is is a mode that puts your OS into a pause and low power state where you can quickly resume.

Usually HDDs have it built in to do so automatically. I guess your drives do not have it built in to the firmware or something. I always have my settings set to never sleep and power off never and they spin down every ten min or so.

Andy may explain everything better tho lol.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

from MS:
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Sleep is a power-saving state that allows a computer to quickly resume full-power operation (typically within several seconds) when you want to start working again. Putting your computer into the sleep state is like pausing a DVD player—the computer immediately stops what it’s doing and is ready to start again when you want to resume working.
All sleep is is a mode that puts your OS into a pause and low power state where you can quickly resume.
Usually HDDs have it built in to do so automatically. I guess your drives do not have it built in to the firmware or something. I always have my settings set to never sleep and power off never and they spin down every ten min or so.
Andy may explain everything better tho lol.

Heh, I know what sleep is as related to an O/S.... but I was asking specific to the HDDs.

You mentioned your drives are set to "never".

So in my example, let's say you are gaming on your ssd for an hour, and then want to access your mechanical 3.5" HDD that runs at 7200rpm (not the green drives). if you double click Drive D, does the Window Explorer window instantly load for you? Or do you wait 10seconds?

If it instantly loads, then how can you be sure it spun down? If it doesn't instantly load like mine, and does take 10sec, it means it spun down, even though you have your option set to "NEVER", which mine doesn't do....

I mean its not like these are random scrub drives, these are one of the best you can buy... Caviar Blacks....
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by chapman2012 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

from MS:
Quote:
Sleep is a power-saving state that allows a computer to quickly resume full-power operation (typically within several seconds) when you want to start working again. Putting your computer into the sleep state is like pausing a DVD player—the computer immediately stops what it’s doing and is ready to start again when you want to resume working.
All sleep is is a mode that puts your OS into a pause and low power state where you can quickly resume.
Usually HDDs have it built in to do so automatically. I guess your drives do not have it built in to the firmware or something. I always have my settings set to never sleep and power off never and they spin down every ten min or so.
Andy may explain everything better tho lol.

Heh, I know what sleep is as related to an O/S.... but I was asking specific to the HDDs.

You mentioned your drives are set to "never".

So in my example, let's say you are gaming on your ssd for an hour, and then want to access your mechanical 3.5" HDD that runs at 7200rpm (not the green drives). if you double click Drive D, does the Window Explorer window instantly load for you? Or do you wait 10seconds?

If it instantly loads, then how can you be sure it spun down? If it doesn't instantly load like mine, and does take 10sec, it means it spun down, even though you have your option set to "NEVER", which mine doesn't do....

I mean its not like these are random scrub drives, these are one of the best you can buy... Caviar Blacks....

I have to wait for them to spin back up, mine go into their spin down state like you described before, even when I had a HDD for a OS drive.

The caviar black drives may not have it built into the firmware to do so b/c of the caviar green line of drives which I know do for sure. And it has just initiated by the OS for your blacks to do so with that enabled.

I know that my Samsung Spinpoint F3s and F4s spin down all the time when they are not in use.

But what is the big deal about them being on when not in use anyways tho?
post #24 of 28
I've got two black in RAID 0 and a third as a back-up drive. yes, when I click on the drives, windows explorer pops up right away, and displays the contents of the drive... Windows explorer is on my SSD RAID, so the window is immediate. If Windows is installed on your SSD, Windows Explorer is there too on your system. There should be no delay in the Explorer window popping up. Whether or not it pops up "blank", or populated with the drive's directories... regardless, there should be absolutely no delay in the Explorer window appearing.

Anyway, on my system... The drives spin up almost immediately... If you listen, you can hear it happen... The drives are anything but quiet. Then you can hear the read arm reading the drives.. all this happens in a couple of seconds... When I don't access anything on the drives for a few minutes, I can hear them spin down...

I can't say for sure why you get a 10 second delay with your drives... possibly as mcg75 previously stated, windows implementing LPM (Link Power Management) on your actual SATA ports, but even this should be an immediate power-up when called on. Your delay on your magnetic disks, is very possibly related to the same issue you are seeing with the SSD.

Also, as Sean pointed out, even if your drives don't spin down... what are you worried about? Are you aware that in a Windows server, HDDs are never allowed to spin down when used in a storage pool? This is because when the OS calls for data from a drive, the OS "expects" the response right away. If the data is not transferred relatively quick, the OS may recieve data errors when the drive is accessed. This occurs because the OS times out waiting for the drive to respond. All this occurs in terms of less than a second, not 10's of seconds.

Sound farmiliar?
Edited by xandypx - 2/2/12 at 7:45pm
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post #25 of 28
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The explorer does open instantly, as you mentioned, becase windows is on the ssd. But the contents of the drive wont show for another 10sec as the drive is powering/spinning up.

Its always been like this if I set HDD to sleep, even before I got my SSD.

My OS would be on caviar black #1, and my storage would be on #2 , #3, and when I access #2 / #3, it'd take 10sec because I hadnt acessed it in a while. Keep in mind though, that this isn't the problem I'm talking about, I'm talking about my O/S flat out freezing in the middle of a game for 10-15 sec, I'm talking about my videos stuttering (youtube videos too!!) for 10-15 sec, I'm talking about firefox/windows explorer, locking up for 10-15sec just while doing basic browsing. None of this happened when the SSD wasn't my main drive. I was used to it taking 10sec to load an explorer window if the drive that was loaded was sleeping, but thats it, all these other random freezes NEVER existed.

ANYWAYS... BACK ON TOPIC...

CURRENT UPDATE:

Plopped in a brand new refurbished Intel ssd (same model...express RMA ship from Intel).
Tested the SMART errors, quick test, full test (ssd toolbox) prior to installing windows 7 on it.
Formatted.... used the 4096 sector size (never did that before, always used default) as per tutorial.
I *WILL* change the sleep setting to "never" as you guys recommended and observe for 3 days...
*Will NOT* mess with LPM settings for now....
I also installed the EXTREMELY new Intel RST 11.0 as found on anandtech, not the 10.8 as available on Intel's site...

Haven't finished optimizing the system yet (going to bed), but will do so first thing tomorrow after work.

If the freezes go away, it was either due to:
- bad SSD (since I replaced the thing)
- sleep mode
- intel RST 10.8 vs 11

if freezes go away on new ssd, i'll revert my sleep back to 10min and see if they return... if they do, then we'll know that was it. If they don't return in sleep mode.... then the problem was either fixed bygoing to RST 11 rather than 10.8 (doubt it), or most likely, bad SSD.

If freezes are still there on my 2nd SSD (god I hope not!), then its not a SSD/Sleep mode issue, and I'll attempt the LPM thing.

Will update soon!

*cross fingers*

Thanks for help so far!
Edited by chapman2012 - 2/2/12 at 9:00pm
post #26 of 28
***BUMP***

As mentioned before, I got a new SSD shipped to me from INTEL, and have been using it as my OS drive for the last month with 0 problem.

But like I said, i wanted to narrow down the problem and fix it besides replacing the drive.

Used the latest intel RST, altest drivers, firmware, etc etc etc.

Now, with everything else being status quo, I changed the Option under power management to set HARD DRIVE to sleep after 10 minutes (as it was before all this time on a mechanical hard drive), and sure enough, within a few hours of changing this HARD DRIVE SLEEP to 10 minutes, the freezes/stutters all came back on my new ssd.

So I guess the problem is, how do I set it to sleep on JUST the hard drives, but not the ssd?

I tried following the LPM instructions posted on page 1, but I got lost, they aren't very easy to follow.... all that stuff is like greek to me.

PLEASE HELP. I want my drives to go on sleep mode, just not my SSD.

The main setting "SET COMPUTER TO SLEEP" is already set to NEVER. I just want to be able to change my hard drive sleep to 10-15min....

Thanks!
post #27 of 28
Bump?

Still need help with these freezes..
post #28 of 28
^^ Help...

Any workarounds to fix ths besides turning off sleepmode on all drives?????

Come on, surely there's a registry ifix availalbe somewhere that works.
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