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post #11 of 50
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Yes.

No they don't, they re-tool.

Its no different from auto manufacturers re-tooling to support a new car model.
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post #12 of 50
Actually that would be No!

Going by this list of Fab sites, it has been updated many times since 130nm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites
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The biggest reason they build a new plant is that if you retrofit an existing one, it means having a plant offline for a good period of time. Pair that in with all the water/air/drainage lines that have to be ran in every building, all the electrical lines that have to be ran. The costs become extraordinarily high having the plant down and pouring all the money you're not making in to developing the new fab. This way, they can keep manufacturing current gen chips while they're starting work on the fab for the next gen. When the next gen fab comes online, they can set this one up to produce chips using the same fab process.

I live about fifteen minutes from Intels existing fabs. They're also building some new building over here, but I'm not sure what it's for. (maybe their solid state drives and such?)
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post #14 of 50
Cost over time. Period. Additionally with government Tax incentives it makes sense to keep a certain percentage of your manufacturing out of the US just like Congress want's it.

We'll see how much comes back into the US....without the US taxpayer paying for it...ha.
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What do they do with older plants such as ones that were 90nm or 65nm? Do they retrofit them for other processes after new plants are built?

Some of the Fab's get's retooled for newer process technology, some still manufacture on "older" process technology, mostly to Chipsets or other Appliances (Car Industry for example), there's always a demand for CPU's somewhere, even if on thicker gate.

Main reason behind building F42 is that it's a 450mm wafers Fab, you can't actually re-tool any existing 300mm Fab, since you need to replace EVERYTHING.
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Why not upgrade the old facilities? Honestly, building a new one every time is a waste.
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post #17 of 50
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Why not upgrade the old facilities? Honestly, building a new one every time is a waste.

Someone just answered why 3 posts above yours.
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Very Cool. Interesting that they would not build a modular plant that would allow removal and replacement of the different manufacturing items required to build. But then again, this is a company with almost unlimited resources and the building cost pennies compared to the amount of profit they will produce out of it. AMD Is loosing so much ground its really getting sad.
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Very Cool. Interesting that they would not build a modular plant that would allow removal and replacement of the different manufacturing items required to build. But then again, this is a company with almost unlimited resources and the building cost pennies compared to the amount of profit they will produce out of it. AMD Is loosing so much ground its really getting sad.

Intel does have all the money in the world. Their revenue last quarter I thnk was somewhere over $150 billion while profit was like $19 billion or something like that. Something rediculous like that. But I wouldnt jump the gun on AMD. They are not in as bad a situation as you may think. They are actually gaining some traction now especially with their low power APU's.
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Very Cool. Interesting that they would not build a modular plant that would allow removal and replacement of the different manufacturing items required to build. But then again, this is a company with almost unlimited resources and the building cost pennies compared to the amount of profit they will produce out of it. AMD Is loosing so much ground its really getting sad.

I don't think any of us are in any position to criticize their architectural/engineering choices. They're not producing plastic dog crap or drinking straws, here. Every single design choice has been vetted and is what it is for a reason. If AMD had their own fabs, I'm sure they would be very particular too.
    
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