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one thing is sure this must be very advanced techno cause they are building it in usa !
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i ll edit!they have a retool treshold i dont know what it is but it is probably something like this

32 nm is actual ,45 nm is past gen wont be retooled will be reused for other purpose 60 nm maybe maybe not
90nm will be retooled for probably 45 nm or 32 nm or such process
Edited by drbaltazar - 1/30/12 at 6:54am
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An Nvidia wafer, maybe.

I see no fire...
 
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IIRC older fabs are used to fab chipsets and Atoms.

Just did some quick calculations to compare an ideal situation of a 200mm^2 die - an old fab at 300mm at 130nm and using all available surface area of the wafer would yield about 350 dies. Shrinking that die down to 14nm (assuming 60% shrink for each node) and at 450mm would yield about 17000 dies!!!! Seems like despite the high startup costs of transitioning to 14nm and 450mm wafers, there's definitely a big benefit to make the jump. Gotta love technology...
Edited by Cheetos316 - 1/30/12 at 10:49am
    
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22nm Ivy bridge isn't even out. The smallest is 28 nm which is a 7970, not even a cpu. I doubt they are even clost to coming out with 14 nm processors. Even achieving 28 was a major feat. 14 nm is not possible yet.
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I'm pretty sure that Intel has stated that they've got 14nm figured out.

Edit: yep. www.overclock.net/t/1178423/nordic-hw-intels-bliemer-comments-we-already-have-14nm-broadwell-up-and-running-in-the-labs/0_100
Edited by Homeles - 1/30/12 at 11:29am
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I didn't think I was criticizing, just pondering. I am actually kind of optimistic about the new plant.
It's hard not to jump the gun on AMD so to speak, it just seems obvious that AMD needs to be manufacturing their chips themselves to keep qc in check. Being as big as AMD is, relying on a 3rd party for parts seems way to unreliable, and my evidence for that is what happened with BD.

Yeah I think they should have stuck with making their own chips too. I definitely think they would be producing more better yields for sure.
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IIRC older fabs are used to fab chipsets and Atoms.
Just did some quick calculations to compare an ideal situation of a 200mm^2 die - an old fab at 300mm at 130nm and using all available surface area of the wafer would yield about 350 dies. Shrinking that die down to 14nm (assuming 60% shrink for each node) and at 450mm would yield about 17000 dies!!!! Seems like despite the high startup costs of transitioning to 14nm and 450mm wafers, there's definitely a big benefit to make the jump. Gotta love technology...

Smaller process doesnt mean smaller chip. It mean more transistors per chip. The chips stay the same size.


On another note,

I love how we got so many geniuses on OCN sharing all their great knowledge...
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Nice to see some investment in something this size in America rather than shipping it all overseas to Asia/India. Nothing wrong with those areas of the world, it's just nice for the US economy and jobs to see some stuff remain here.
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I miss working in a FAB for 12hours a day 3-4 days a week. decent money being a fab worker.

I miss my 3-4 days off, not my 3-4 days on...
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The biggest reason they build a new plant is that if you retrofit an existing one, it means having a plant offline for a good period of time. Pair that in with all the water/air/drainage lines that have to be ran in every building, all the electrical lines that have to be ran. The costs become extraordinarily high having the plant down and pouring all the money you're not making in to developing the new fab. This way, they can keep manufacturing current gen chips while they're starting work on the fab for the next gen. When the next gen fab comes online, they can set this one up to produce chips using the same fab process.
I live about fifteen minutes from Intels existing fabs. They're also building some new building over here, but I'm not sure what it's for. (maybe their solid state drives and such?)

I was a maintenance tech for National Semiconductor (recently purchased by TI) and you have to understand that when these fabs are built, they are not built to compacity.

The fab I worked at was built in 1998(fairly new for an analog semiconductor) and when they built that fab @ 200mm and 14 years ago, they had enough plumbing/electrical/air for 3 more 1 acre fabs. Thats 1acre of clean room floor!

I'm sure Intel has the idea of very large expansion if they need it, all semiconductors are built with the idea of adding another building/fab, not retooling a current one (although that is not uncommon because our Scotland fab moved all it's tools up to the 200mm process). A lot of the tools have to do with wafer size only, so changing from 200->300 or 300->450 is crazy expensive, but if your going from 450mm @ 14nm -> 450 @ 8nm(or whatever it may be) 80% of the tools used in the semiconductor process are reused. Things like the wet chem (my dept), diffusion (teh big 1400c ovens), and CMP (grinding the wafers) are all just dependent on the wafer size, not the technology(to an extent). Thinks like Photo-lithography(making a resist mask) and Etch(etching around that mask or laying metal into it) are the processes that require retooling.
 
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great to see corporations investing back into america and not china.
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