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Not that its the reason but AMD's stock has been going up since the release of Bulldozer... --> Seen Here <--


Stock is at $4.85... Today, back in 2006 (Athlon64 era), it was at $48,75. This shows in what kind of struggle AMD really is.


Anyway, good news, hopefully we'll see this reflected on future products!
   
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Oh? so AMD is going to get competitive? Im just curious because I waited 5 years for Bulldozer only to have some serious buyers remorse on the 990FX platform.
It can't even compete with the sandy bridge it was meant to beat but Vishera (which gets 8 to 12% increase over bulldozer) is going to compete with Ivy?
Ive got some ocean front property in Arizona for ya if you believe Vishera is going to give AMD any better or EQUIVALENT processor for desktop than what Intel does.
Sorry I seem bitter but I am. I supported Advanced Micro Devices for over 10 years now exclusively and I dont like to be crapped on by the public relations division of a company.

I can't change how you feel about AMD or your bitterness. Only you can change how you feel about anything in life. While I agree AMD poorly handled the release of Bulldozer I am quite sure that most everyone at AMD and GloFo did the best they could do under very difficult conditions. Most enthusiasts have no comprehension of how difficult a task it is to come up with a completely new CPU architecture and a new wafer production methodology concurrently.

It is what it is. That's reality. Does anyone REALLY believe that AMD wanted to release a CPU that was only marginally better than the faster Phenom II's? Of course not. If the Fab process was spot on then BD chips might have been released at 5.0 GHz. and still be OC'able. Then performance would have been ~15% better than PII. That didn't happen so AMD and GloFo and TMSC all need to improve their execution.

Intel has had their failures also with flame throwing P-III's and pretty much useless P-IV's. I didn't see Intel fans jumping from windows in tall buildings over it... Reality is that any modern X86 CPU is plenty fast enough for all general computing and gaming. Because enthusiasts use a PC primarily for entertainment they are always expecting something new and exciting. This time AMDs work didn't deliver the results they expected. Life goes on.

I always tell people to buy what makes them happy. If you're happy supported a convicted criminal corporation who has used every illegal tactic they could think of to crush AMD and eliminate all consumer choice - that's your right. This same company has also been convicted twice of U.S. tax fraud for failing to pay their proper taxes. If that's the kind of company that you think is good for consumers and the U.S. then you go right ahead and support them with your dollars. They are laughing all the way to the bank. If they had their way and AMD didn't exist, you'd be paying $999 for a Pentium 90 CPU. Think about that Before you decide where you want to spend your money.

Intel is still trying to escape accountable for their chronic violations of law.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120866/intel-antitrust-claims-dismissed
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This^^^ I heard they were working out the yield issues too. Hopefully this is accurate info...
What do you mean??? BD does compete with SB in some areas just like AMD said it would. It was supposed to compete with 2500k in some areas like it does and with 2600k

Well sheesh you got me.

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BD does compete with SB 2500k in tasks the 2600k was designed to excel in.. AND DARN it does compete with the 2600k in tasks the 2500k was designed to excel in.


I apologize for intruding on your great wisdom.


I'm more apologetic that I bought an 1100T that beat the BD chip in almost every game they tested. But you're right its a darned good chip. Im happy with my 1100 T for 140 dollars less than a BD.

Honestly can't wait to get rid of my 990FX board and 1100T and 6970 so in 3 months if you've got money saved up I'll gladly sell them to you. I've already said goodbye to AMD so the grieving process is over.
 
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I'm getting mixed perceptions on PD's expected performance improvement here. Is it 8-12% performance increase, or 10-15%, or 20-30% performance per watt increase, or 40%?..
What does amd say about the expected performance increase?

No one knows exactly until it arrives. AMD has not made any "official comment" and never does until they release a new product.
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I can't change how you feel about AMD or your bitterness. Only you can change how you feel about anything in life. While I agree AMD poorly handled the release of Bulldozer I am quite sure that most everyone at AMD and GloFo did the best they could do under very difficult conditions. Most enthusiasts have no comprehension of how difficult a task it is to come up with a completely new CPU architecture and a new wafer production methodology concurrently.
It is what it is. That's reality. Does anyone REALLY believe that AMD wanted to release a CPU that was only marginally better than the faster Phenom II's? Of course not. If the Fab process was spot on then BD chips might have been released at 5.0 GHz. and still be OC'able. Then performance would have been ~15% better than PII. That didn't happen so AMD and GloFo and TMSC all need to improve their execution.
Intel has had their failures also with flame throwing P-III's and pretty much useless P-IV's. I didn't see Intel fans jumping from windows in tall buildings over it... Reality is that any modern X86 CPU is plenty fast enough for all general computing and gaming. Because enthusiasts use a PC primarily for entertainment they are always expecting something new and exciting. This time AMDs work didn't deliver the results they expected. Life goes on.
I always tell people to buy what makes them happy. If you're happy supported a convicted criminal corporation who has used every illegal tactic they could think of to crush AMD and eliminate all consumer choice - that's your right. This same company has also been convicted twice of U.S. tax fraud for failing to pay their proper taxes. If that's the kind of company that you think is good for consumers and the U.S. then you go right ahead and support them with your dollars. They are laughing all the way to the bank. If they had their way and AMD didn't exist, you'd be paying $999 for a Pentium 90 CPU. Think about that Before you decide where you want to spend your money.
Intel is still trying to escape accountable for their chronic violations of law.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120866/intel-antitrust-claims-dismissed

While I understand , know, and respect your opinion.


Do you remember reading the bulldozer FAQ thread? JF-AMD knowingly trying to spin us his way? I was ready to pounce on a 2500k the 3rd week of september but instead of doing that believed him and bought this 990FX board and waited on BD...

I dont care if a company cheats on its taxes hell most people TECHNICALLY cheat on their frigging taxes. I have a problem when a company sends a representative to an enthusiast site who:

1) Talks down to me in the FAQ thread

2) Spreads information that I am pretty sure he knew was false


Honesty and integrity buy customers. That really hurt me a lot especially after being an avid supporter of theirs for 10 years. Sure intel has done some shady things. Most companies do. But they haven't lied about performance since the P4 days and I can live with that. Its not what have you done for me.... Its what have you done for me lately.


Speaking of lately... Haven't seen JF-AMD around much.
 
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Well sheesh you got me.
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BD does compete with SB 2500k in tasks the 2600k was designed to excel in.. AND DARN it does compete with the 2600k in tasks the 2500k was designed to excel in.
I apologize for intruding on your great wisdom.
I'm more apologetic that I bought an 1100T that beat the BD chip in almost every game they tested. But you're right its a darned good chip. Im happy with my 1100 T for 140 dollars less than a BD.
Honestly can't wait to get rid of my 990FX board and 1100T and 6970 so in 3 months if you've got money saved up I'll gladly sell them to you. I've already said goodbye to AMD so the grieving process is over.

I'm not familiar with the thread but I do know that benchmarks did confirm the claims that AMD made were accurate. Those results were in selected games and apps and not across all aspects of CPU performance. So while AMD did not lie, they didn't tell the complete story and people assumed based on pre-release leaks that there could be as much as a 50% performance bump in ALL apps, which AMD never stated.

If you believe it's OK to violate law for profit and not pay your fair share in taxes then I guess you subscribe to Intel's unehtical behavior... It's very sad to see young people this confused. This explains why we have so many problems in society today.

I believe it's time to stop hating then and move on... Hate is just wasted energy.
Edited by AMD4ME - 1/30/12 at 4:16pm
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I'm getting mixed perceptions on PD's expected performance improvement here. Is it 8-12% performance increase, or 10-15%, or 20-30% performance per watt increase, or 40%?..
What does amd say about the expected performance increase?

No one knows exactly until it arrives. AMD has not made any "official comment" and never does until they release a new product.

umm in 3 days AMD will be hosting their 2012 analyst day and will be disclosing their 2012 roadmap and plans and should be announcing roadmap into 2013 (every year they touch on a little bit for the following year) It should be exciting and this guy will def be tuned into that!
    
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Yeah I cant wait until trinity comes out. Especially the desktop chips. They are to support
  • 2133Mhz ram speeds
  • up to 3.8Ghz clock speeds
  • eyefinity up to 6 monitor support
  • radeon hd 7000 series graphics.
  • pci express 3.0
  • piledriver cores
They are going to be one bad little APU hopefully.

That really looks sweet like that. Hopefully they will deliver. I'm really impressed with on-die GPU... Would be sweet for casual gamers or average users... jk... for most people generally seeing as current gen performs closely to GTX 460 which is (unless I'm mistaken about comparison) worth of awe. So much that I have hard time seeing why I wouldn't sell my GPU as well. Just interested in how well chip handles the temperatures GPU gives.

Be whatever it may, I planned (and still am) to get 2500K+ P67 MB to replace my ever aging rig... aside from the cost (about +30-40% compared to the rest of the "normal" world) trouble is I can't find a penny's worth MB for my head. I'm still holding my fingers crossed for AMD as I've always used their CPU's.

Also a bit of topic and this is not directed at you specifically (but it'd be nice if you could answer), how reliable would you say the newegg reports(feedback) are? As when I look at some products (mostly motherboards because of my aforementioned issue) I almost always get either scared or disappointed. So many people whining/complaining about numerous things. Regards. wink.gif
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That really looks sweet like that. Hopefully they will deliver. I'm really impressed with on-die GPU... Would be sweet for casual gamers or average users... jk... for most people generally seeing as current gen performs closely to GTX 460 which is (unless I'm mistaken about comparison) worth of awe. So much that I have hard time seeing why I wouldn't sell my GPU as well. Just interested in how well chip handles the temperatures GPU gives.
Be whatever it may, I planned (and still am) to get 2500K+ P67 MB to replace my ever aging rig... aside from the cost (about +30-40% compared to the rest of the "normal" world) trouble is I can't find a penny's worth MB for my head. I'm still holding my fingers crossed for AMD as I've always had used their CPU's.
Also a bit of topic and this is not directed to you specifically (but it'd be nice if you could answer), how reliable would you say the newegg reports are? As when I look at some products (mostly motherboards because of my aforementioned issue) I almost always get either scared or disappointing. So many people whining/complaining about numerous things. Regards. wink.gif

thing about newegg is you can substract 2 levels of tech experience from every users own rating.. (I think I rated myself a 3) Most put 4 or 5... Then you read their comment and figure they are a 2 or 3.


I also checkmark verified owners before reading reviews.. If they didnt buy the product from the egg I dont feel like reading their review.
 
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This^^^ I heard they were working out the yield issues too. Hopefully this is accurate info...
What do you mean??? BD does compete with SB in some areas just like AMD said it would. It was supposed to compete with 2500k in some areas like it does and with 2600k in some areas like it does. BD is by far an amazing cpu but for being a first revision that is a completely different architecture that anyone has dealt with its pretty damn good imo. I have been using mine since its release and it hasnt let me down one bit. I did have some problems at first with bios suppport but after a few weeks I was getting pretty decent performance from it. I am not saying that it is some super chip but you got to give it a little credit for being a first revision unoptimized chip that does compete with SB on some levels. IB is going to be less than 10% increase in performance from SB so I can see vishera beating IB no problem if they can work out the bottlenecks and turn out a nice revision. By that time too Win8 scheduler will be out to better utilize the module design. I wouldnt give up on amd just yet. Their architecture is good they just need to become familiar with it and find its weak points and make them stronger. BD does need a lot of work if they plan on keeping up with intel but BD is far from a fail.

In order for Vishera to beat Ivy Bridge, it first needs to beat Sandy Bridge in all around performance, not just in "some things".

Here's Vishera's estimated average gaming performance, based on a 10% - 14% increase from the 8120. ( The 8150 wasn't on this chart, so that's what I had to go by. )

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