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On topic I hope trinity does well... I want to sell my laptop for cheap (G72 in sig) and get a trinity laptop


For the low end medium budget laptop trinity probably will be a good thing. Its just not aimed at OUR market segment.
 
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While I understand , know, and respect your opinion.
Do you remember reading the bulldozer FAQ thread? JF-AMD knowingly trying to spin us his way? I was ready to pounce on a 2500k the 3rd week of september but instead of doing that believed him and bought this 990FX board and waited on BD...
I dont care if a company cheats on its taxes hell most people TECHNICALLY cheat on their frigging taxes. I have a problem when a company sends a representative to an enthusiast site who:
1) Talks down to me in the FAQ thread
2) Spreads information that I am pretty sure he knew was false
Honesty and integrity buy customers. That really hurt me a lot especially after being an avid supporter of theirs for 10 years. Sure intel has done some shady things. Most companies do. But they haven't lied about performance since the P4 days and I can live with that. Its not what have you done for me.... Its what have you done for me lately.
Speaking of lately... Haven't seen JF-AMD around much.

Everyone blames JF-AMD.

He specifically stated he said what he was told by the engineers, and that everything was cleared with them. JF did not lie to us at all. I think this was a GF failure as the engineers expected a lot more from the theoretical design.
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Everyone blames JF-AMD.
He specifically stated he said what he was told by the engineers, and that everything was cleared with them. JF did not lie to us at all. I think this was a GF failure as the engineers expected a lot more from the theoretical design.

Can you prove that?

He specifically said that the "rumors" were false, IPC was higher, rumors turned out to be true, and well you know the story behind IPC. He wasn't allowed to "comment" on a lot of things, but he had no problems commenting and debunking the truth that made BD look bad.
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I've just purchased an E-350 mobo for a low powered NAS after plenty of research.
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Can you prove that?
He specifically said that the "rumors" were false, IPC was higher, rumors turned out to be true, and well you know the story behind IPC. He wasn't allowed to "comment" on a lot of things, but he had no problems commenting and debunking the truth that made BD look bad.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?s=4042a22dc222bc173c4cf33536668882&p=32421412&postcount=106
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So here's the story on IPC from my perspective.

The original design goal was higher IPC. Back before we had taped out the first processors the discussion came up. I am not allowed to say anything in public that hasn't been vetted past engineering. I specifically asked the engineering team about IPC and they replied that they expected higher IPC and I was cleared on that statement.

In my estimation, I made the IPC stament on XS and I don't recall making it other places (but I am sure that my comments were reposted.)

This is not a case of me lying, this is a case of me being wrong. And that happens to all of us. There is no way that I would intentionally say something that I did not believe to be true because a.) the interenet is a permanent record and b.) eventually you'll have to answer to those comments.

In these different forums that I would frequent, I have made thousands of posts about the product, always trying to help people understand the technology. Everything was done with the intention of being informative. I never made client performance predictions and was very clear on correcting people who took server benchmarks and tried to correlate client performance, because it just doesn't work like that.

Since the launch I haven't really been in any forums because I was in Seattle all week with MSFT. Once the product launched, I started receiving lots of hate mail. If I had a dollar for every message that used the word f*** I would have enough money to buy myself a bulldozer server.

Early on there were a lot of people that said I was crazy for trying to talk to the enthusiast community, but I persisted, the occasional idiot is something that everyone has to put up with from time to time. But the volume of hate messages that I received has unfortunately convinced me that I was wrong.

I was doing this on my own time, it was not part of my job. And because of that, I don't really feel compelled to take any more abuse.

All of the statements that I have made at the time were statements that I believed to be true. I am no more a liar than Paul Otellini when he said IB would ship in Q4. He is not a liar, he is giving the best information he has at the time and things change. If you are going to extend courtesy to others when their statements don't pan out, you should do that with everyone.

Thanks to exarkun and some of the others that have had a reasonable response in all of this. Too many people were waiting to attack, it's almost like they don't really care, maybe they just like to fight.

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Trinity laptop should be a nice performance bump. It's on my BUY List. thumb.gif
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In order for Vishera to beat Ivy Bridge, it first needs to beat Sandy Bridge in all around performance, not just in "some things".
Here's Vishera's estimated average gaming performance, based on a 10% - 14% increase from the 8120. ( The 8150 wasn't on this chart, so that's what I had to go by. )

Quick math lesson time. Example: If an i7-3930K is 3 times as fast as a A4-3400 at stock, if it has an overclock of 33.3%, it's now 4 times as fast. According to your math, it would only be 3.33 times as fast. You can't add percentage increases. To be safe, always multiply by the percentage increase as a decimal (ie to find out how much 10% more would be, multiply it by 1.10). Your numbers are clearly added, not multiplied.

Also, the FX-8150 is 500mhz (~15%) faster than the 8120. So let's add 15% on top of 14%, for 29% gain over 8120. It's actually pretty decent. This would bring the average bar to 191.79% roughly, and the min bar to 221.23%. Not at all bad, and hypothetically that'd be faster than a 2500k at stock.


Lastly, that's your definition of "beat". Nobody is buying an 8-core or 10-core just for gaming. Realistically it might not beat SB, won't beat IB, but it will come close and it should have more total computing power by a decent amount (it's roughly tied with a 2600k for multi-threaded as it is, and BD to PD will be a bigger gain with 25% more cores and maybe 10% IPC gain; vs IB's possibly 6-15% IPC and possibly 16% higher OC headroom).
 
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Quick math lesson time. Example: If an i7-3930K is 3 times as fast as a A4-3400 at stock, if it has an overclock of 33.3%, it's now 4 times as fast. According to your math, it would only be 3.33 times as fast. You can't add percentage increases. To be safe, always multiply by the percentage increase as a decimal (ie to find out how much 10% more would be, multiply it by 1.10). Your numbers are clearly added, not multiplied.
Also, the FX-8150 is 500mhz (~15%) faster than the 8120. So let's add 15% on top of 14%, for 29% gain over 8120. It's actually pretty decent. This would bring the average bar to 191.79% roughly, and the min bar to 221.23%. Not at all bad, and hypothetically that'd be faster than a 2500k at stock.
Lastly, that's your definition of "beat". Nobody is buying an 8-core or 10-core just for gaming. Realistically it might not beat SB, won't beat IB, but it will come close and it should have more total computing power by a decent amount (it's roughly tied with a 2600k for multi-threaded as it is, and BD to PD will be a bigger gain with 25% more cores and maybe 10% IPC gain; vs IB's possibly 6-15% IPC and possibly 16% higher OC headroom).

10 cores most likely won't be desktop.
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10 cores most likely won't be desktop.

From a company that produced an 8 core desktop chip, it is very likely that this is for the top tier desktop users (us).
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From a company that produced an 8 core desktop chip, it is very likely that this is for the top tier desktop users (us).

5 modules on a desktop chip? That's going to be weird fitment. I mean 8 cores is already a huge die size on desktop. It's still 32nm.
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