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I am looking to build a new budget rig for around $400-$450. I want the best performance as possible out of the money available.

I definitely want a ssd included in the system. I am looking along the lines of Llano to keep it cheap and maybe upgrade to Trinity when it arrives. I dont know though. I am completely undecided and this is where I need your help. I would like to stay away from gettting both cpu and gpu and just go with apu but if I can get a phenom or sandy bridge with a discrete gpu for the right price then that will work too.

I am not interested in if its a Intel or AMD cpu, I just want the best bang for my buck. Thats all. I want you guys to be honest and tell me what you think the best components would be for my system. Keep in mind that I need everything including the case and everything inside. An APU I think would be best for this kind of budget imo. Let me know what you guys think. I know intel sb has nice cpu pwer but the graphics are not that great at all and I would probably have to get a discrete gpu. If you think I should go SB then please suggest some combos of cpu and gpu that would work in my price range.

I want the best possible speed, graphics, processing performnace I can get under $450.

I have monitor, keyboard, mouse already. Just need the system.

Just need some suggestions now... Please keep favoritism out of it. I am simply looking for the best under $450.

Thanks for all the help and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Edited by mikezachlowe2004 - 1/29/12 at 4:35pm
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post #2 of 26
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I am looking at newegg right now and they have a 960T for $110 right now. A lot of the reviews have unlocked to 6 core and overclocking to 4+ghz. What do you guys think. I would have to go cheaper on the other products if I did that though.
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Moved to Intel AMD general.
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Originally Posted by mikezachlowe2004 View Post

I am looking at newegg right now and they have a 960T for $110 right now. A lot of the reviews have unlocked to 6 core and overclocking to 4+ghz. What do you guys think. I would have to go cheaper on the other products if I did that though.

The 960T is a fantastic deal if you can unlock the extra 2 cores. If not, it's still a fair deal and you should be able to OC to 3.8GHz or higher on air cooling.

If you're going to be using this rig for gaming, don't go with Llano. Llano is best suited toward general purpose computers and HTPC's that require a small form factor case. For a budget gaming rig, skimp a bit on the CPU/RAM and go all out on the graphics card. I'd recommend a minimum of a 6870 if your monitor is 1080p: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

For PSU, any 80PLUS Certified 500W or higher will be fine. I'd recommend this one since it gives you headroom for a 2nd/beefier GPU down the line and it's only $50 after rebate and promo code: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018

For motherboard, just find the cheapest AM3/AM3+ ASUS/Gigabyte/ASRock board that supports Phenom II X6 by default and has the core unlocking feature on the BIOS.

For RAM, just get the cheapest 2x4GB you can find with heatspreaders: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313086

It will be hard to fit an SSD into your budget unless you go with a super cheap 32GB drive. If you can increase your budget a bit, this one is a pretty good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227725
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The 960T is a fantastic deal if you can unlock the extra 2 cores. If not, it's still a fair deal and you should be able to OC to 3.8GHz or higher on air cooling.
If you're going to be using this rig for gaming, don't go with Llano. Llano is best suited toward general purpose computers and HTPC's that require a small form factor case. For a budget gaming rig, skimp a bit on the CPU/RAM and go all out on the graphics card. I'd recommend a minimum of a 6870 if your monitor is 1080p: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948
For PSU, any 80PLUS Certified 500W or higher will be fine. I'd recommend this one since it gives you headroom for a 2nd/beefier GPU down the line and it's only $50 after rebate and promo code: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018
For motherboard, just find the cheapest AM3/AM3+ ASUS/Gigabyte/ASRock board that supports Phenom II X6 by default and has the core unlocking feature on the BIOS.
For RAM, just get the cheapest 2x4GB you can find with heatspreaders: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313086
It will be hard to fit an SSD into your budget unless you go with a super cheap 32GB drive. If you can increase your budget a bit, this one is a pretty good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227725

thank you for the help. The system is not for gaming. A little gaming but not mostly. I figured I was looking into the llano because if I wanted I could upgrade and get a 6670 or somethinglike that and get decent graphcis. I dont game that much.. Its mainly for school and work but I have a seperate rig for work 2500k. I defitnely want to go with ssd cause its a whole lot faster than hdd. I dont mind the smaller form factor. Actually I prefer smaller form factor. I am thinking about the unlocked A8 but still undecided. I am going to come up with a list shortly of what i am looking more towards. I defintely dont need a 6870. I have 6790's now and one of them is more than I need.

I would like to keep all the components around the same quality/performance for this build. I dont really want to spend a whole lot on a gpu or cpu and then skimp on the rest. I want to keep it about even all the way around.
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I am using an A8-3850 Processor and it scores 7731 passmark CPUMark score. I know that you have to take those scores with a grain of salt, but every benchmark test that I have done, including Passmark and SiSoftware, have shown high marks. I have that processor paired with a HD 6870 and it chew up anything that I throw at it. I agree with the other posters, though, the SSD is what I gonna kill your budget. I will do some research and post links in a couple of minutes.
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Relevant/worth considering: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html

"With the sub-$100 Pentiums performing so well, Intel's $125 Core i3-2100 easily beats more expensive Phenom II and FX models. And the $190 Core i5-2400 dominates the sub-$200 landscape without challenge, really. As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point."
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Relevant/worth considering: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html
"With the sub-$100 Pentiums performing so well, Intel's $125 Core i3-2100 easily beats more expensive Phenom II and FX models. And the $190 Core i5-2400 dominates the sub-$200 landscape without challenge, really. As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point."

An i3-2100 system with an h61 mobo would work in this budget.

Grab an NZXT source 210 on sale for $34

and a rosewill green series 530w psu


Patriot 2x4 ddr3 $25 AMIR
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An i3-2100 system with an h61 mobo would work in this budget.

Or AMD:

Zosma $110


ASUS M4A87TD EVO Refurb $57



Grab an NZXT source 210 on sale for $34
and a rosewill green series 530w psu

Patriot 2x4 ddr3 $25 AMIR

That should work.
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I am using an A8-3850 Processor and it scores 7731 passmark CPUMark score. I know that you have to take those scores with a grain of salt, but every benchmark test that I have done, including Passmark and SiSoftware, have shown high marks. I have that processor paired with a HD 6870 and it chew up anything that I throw at it. I agree with the other posters, though, the SSD is what I gonna kill your budget. I will do some research and post links in a couple of minutes.

You know that you are not running hybrid crossfire right? When you install a gpu that is higher than 6670 on Llano that it only uses the discrete card? You probably would have been better off running a 6670 with the hybrid crossfire. Probably around the same power as 6870 and would have saved you money..
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Relevant/worth considering: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html
"With the sub-$100 Pentiums performing so well, Intel's $125 Core i3-2100 easily beats more expensive Phenom II and FX models. And the $190 Core i5-2400 dominates the sub-$200 landscape without challenge, really. As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point."

I did state in the OP to keep favoritism out of the thread. Please do that. I dont need to hear how you think an intel i3 can beat a Phenom or FX. If you want to recommend an i3 then just do that. Please keep all opinions about what AMD vs. Intel to yourself. Thanks

Also, if I got an i3 then I would have to get discrete graphics. Thats more money...
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