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Ok so I want to add some more speed to my raid without compromising the amount it can hold and I am in two minds of what to do.

1) Get a nice 30/60gb SSD and use SRT to boost my hdd.
2) Get 4 500gb F3's(will have to wait till prices drop) and dd them to my two 1tb f3's(I think I can do this but I am not 100% sure)

Any suggestions? Ideas? I feel my current speeds are good but I want it to go faster. smile.gif

I need to go to school but I will be back to read your suggestions. smile.gif

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Ok so I want to add some more speed to my raid without compromising the amount it can hold and I am in two minds of what to do.
1) Get a nice 30/60gb SSD and use SRT to boost my hdd.
2) Get 4 500gb F3's(will have to wait till prices drop) and dd them to my two 1tb f3's(I think I can do this but I am not 100% sure)
Any suggestions? Ideas? I feel my current speeds are good but I want it to go faster. smile.gif
I need to go to school but I will be back to read your suggestions. smile.gif
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I'd advise against getting the four 500GB drives. Firstly you can't just add them into the RAID 0 array. You'd need to backup the data on the existing array (preferably as a completely image) and then rebuild the array with the six drives and restore the backup image.

Secondly if you add four 500GB drives with two 1TB drives in RAID 0, you will not get 4TB as you might expect. The two 1TB drives will only have 500GB of them used, so in fact your array would total only 3TB.

This is because the size of a RAID 0 calculated like so:

S = N(X)

Where S is the resulting size, N is the total number of drives in the array (6) and X is the size of the smallest drive in the array (500GB), therefore S = 6x500 = 3000 or 3TB.
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I'd advise against getting the four 500GB drives. Firstly you can't just add them into the RAID 0 array. You'd need to backup the data on the existing array (preferably as a completely image) and then rebuild the array with the six drives and restore the backup image.
Secondly if you add four 500GB drives with two 1TB drives in RAID 0, you will not get 4TB as you might expect. The two 1TB drives will only have 500GB of them used, so in fact your array would total only 3TB.

I knew about the re-formatting but I never knew about only 500gb of my 1tb drives being used. frown.gif I suppose then the question is 2 more 1tb f3's or a nice SSD for SRT. What would you personally do?

I am somewhat swaying towards SRT as it would mean that my most used applciations such as steam,antivirus,itunes,googlechrome etc should load up much faster like an SSD. I also believe(not too sure) my boots should be quicker.

I don't really need more space(having trouble getting to 500gb usage) so I don't really need more space I just want more speed. smile.gif
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I knew about the re-formatting but I never knew about only 500gb of my 1tb drives being used. frown.gif I suppose then the question is 2 more 1tb f3's or a nice SSD for SRT. What would you personally do?
I am somewhat swaying towards SRT as it would mean that my most used applciations such as steam,antivirus,itunes,googlechrome etc should load up much faster like an SSD. I also believe(not too sure) my boots should be quicker.
I don't really need more space(having trouble getting to 500gb usage) so I don't really need more space I just want more speed. smile.gif

If I wanted more speed, I'd give SRT a shot.

If I wanted more space I'd definitely get two more 1TB drives - but then you'd surpass the 2.2TB limit of MBR and would have to format it as GPT, which has its own issues, AFAIK you will have trouble booting from a GPT partition (someone correct me on this if I am wrong though).
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perhaps you have a specific need Im unaware about, but why not just get a good 120GB hard drive for games/programs and just use your HDD for data. You can place all your windows profile locations like docs, downloads, desktop on your would be data drive and be good to go. Windows will know were to place your files so your OS drive (ssd) doesnt get full of random files. Thats how I do it and many others here. The OS and programs on the SSD is all you really need anyways. Some people have even reported games like BF3 playing better on an SSD, but I cant verify since I have been messing with SSD's for about 2 years now. Heck my first one was only 40GB, now that sucks because its like 2-3 games only lol.
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perhaps you have a specific need Im unaware about, but why not just get a good 120GB hard drive for games/programs and just use your HDD for data. You can place all your windows profile locations like docs, downloads, desktop on your would be data drive and be good to go. Windows will know were to place your files so your OS drive (ssd) doesnt get full of random files. Thats how I do it and many others here. The OS and programs on the SSD is all you really need anyways. Some people have even reported games like BF3 playing better on an SSD, but I cant verify since I have been messing with SSD's for about 2 years now. Heck my first one was only 40GB, now that sucks because its like 2-3 games only lol.

I was thinking of that but I thought SRT would be the best of both worlds in terms of speed for most used items while keeping capacity.

However now that you mention it getting a 120gb ssd isn't too bad of an idea I just have a few quires.

1) Can I place steam to launch faster but still somehow have the games steam holds on my hdd? Is this a hard process?
2) If I were to place for example my anti virus in a SSD will it slow down my HDD's when scanning them(I would imagine so but just wondering).

Any suggestions for a nice 120gb SSD? OCZ make nice ones but I always hear people suggesting M4's for some reason(they seem to have much lower write speeds in terms of listed specs compared to OCZ SSD's).

EDIT: I have also heard that SSD's sometimes perform poorly when not in ACHI mode which I think I am not able to run in as I have RAID set up.
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I was thinking of that but I thought SRT would be the best of both worlds in terms of speed for most used items while keeping capacity.
However now that you mention it getting a 120gb ssd isn't too bad of an idea I just have a few quires.
1) Can I place steam to launch faster but still somehow have the games steam holds on my hdd? Is this a hard process?
2) If I were to place for example my anti virus in a SSD will it slow down my HDD's when scanning them(I would imagine so but just wondering).
Any suggestions for a nice 120gb SSD? OCZ make nice ones but I always hear people suggesting M4's for some reason(they seem to have much lower write speeds in terms of listed specs compared to OCZ SSD's).
EDIT: I have also heard that SSD's sometimes perform poorly when not in ACHI mode which I think I am not able to run in as I have RAID set up.

I can only answer the second one, and the answer is... it shouldn't. Your antivirus software's scanning components will most likely be kernel mode drivers loaded into RAM, so where they are physically installed should make no difference - only the speed of the device that the files are located which are being scanned, and this goes whether it is on an SSD or not. Of course one would assume files on an SSD would be scanned faster.

I'd recommend the M4 as well. Write speeds really aren't an issue with it. Most of this recommendation away from OCZ comes from previous issues with OCZ firmware and the SandForce controller that it used causing things like freezes and BSODs. Their lack of getting fixes out in a timely matter (upwards of 6 months, word has it for me) has also contributed, whereas recently Crucial discovered and fixed a crucial ( tongue.gif ) issue with their M4 within a matter of days.

As far as I know if you have RAID turned on, but a device isn't actually part of a RAID array, it will run in AHCI.
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I can only answer the second one, and the answer is... it shouldn't. Your antivirus software's scanning components will most likely be kernel mode drivers loaded into RAM, so where they are physically installed should make no difference - only the speed of the device that the files are located which are being scanned, and this goes whether it is on an SSD or not. Of course one would assume files on an SSD would be scanned faster.
I'd recommend the M4 as well. Write speeds really aren't an issue with it. Most of this recommendation away from OCZ comes from previous issues with OCZ firmware and the SandForce controller that it used causing things like freezes and BSODs. Their lack of getting fixes out in a timely matter (upwards of 6 months, word has it for me) has also contributed, whereas recently Crucial discovered and fixed a crucial ( tongue.gif ) issue with their M4 within a matter of days.
As far as I know if you have RAID turned on, but a device isn't actually part of a RAID array, it will run in AHCI.

Hmmmmmm. Going for a 120gb SSD is probably the best things. Quick little last question, if I add a 60GB SSD and install windows 7 on it and then plug in my hdd's will I be able to boot off the SSD and then pull the information from my raid and then format it ready for clean use?

if not it's no problem I can just use my 500gb in my linux machine as storage. smile.gif
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Hmmmmmm. Going for a 120gb SSD is probably the best things. Quick little last question, if I add a 60GB SSD and install windows 7 on it and then plug in my hdd's will I be able to boot off the SSD and then pull the information from my raid and then format it ready for clean use?
if not it's no problem I can just use my 500gb in my linux machine as storage. smile.gif

Yes, Windows should have no trouble seeing the RAID array as an ordinary storage volume when booted off a different device (the 60GB SSD in your scenario).
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Check out the links on ssds and windows in my sig.

M4 > all sandforce drives.

I advise to not use srt. You can try it at first, but using it as a straight os drive is better.
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