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I don't understand where all of these non-1080p gamers are getting their monitors. I mean, go to any store these days and almost every monitor is 1080p. I bet you'd have a tough time finding any of those lower resolution monitors at a Best Buy....

This may come as a shock to you but BestBuy sucks when it comes to buying PC parts. Their stock is always limited and overpriced compared to online retailers. Having said that, the BestBuy's I visit locally sell tons of 1600x900 and even 1366 x 768 screens, as that's the standard size for an 18.5in monitor. Microcenter, Fry's and Office Depot sell a lot of screens that aren't 1080p. You have to think about it: the normal starting size for 1920x1080 is 21.5in. Not everyone needs or even wants a screen that size.

Also, you have to consider 1920x1080 is becoming more popular NOW - what about all the people that bought a new monitor in the past 2-3 years? My screen is almost 4 years old but it works like a champ, so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade from 1680x1050 to 1920x1080. I'm still completely satisfied with my monitor so why bother?
    
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post #102 of 186
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So we're supposed to buy bad products for the sake of capitalism? rolleyes.gif

Competition doesn't facilitate capitalism, ideally it's the other way around. And it would really for the sake of the consumers in the long run.
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Surprise surprise, in gaming AMD is almost irrelevant.
 
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I like how tom shut up people who were using the "but AMD cpu delivers enough fps!" argument in the last paragraph
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"As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point." Wow, that about says it all.
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I really didn't expect to see the G860 perform THAT well. O_O

I am floored by this review... A dual core just dropped most of the other chips like it was nothing or kept up as though it were the same chip the entire time.

I'm beyond impressed, and I think I found my new CPU for that budget gaming rig... biggrin.gif
     
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post #107 of 186
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I don't understand where all of these non-1080p gamers are getting their monitors. I mean, go to any store these days and almost every monitor is 1080p. I bet you'd have a tough time finding any of those lower resolution monitors at a Best Buy....

Good sir, I am deeply offended by your disdain for us lower resolution folk [/sarcasm]

Jk. Besides laptops affecting that survey, it goes to show that since resolution has such an impact on performance, the mentality that most of my budget friends with less than 1080p monitors share with me, is why pay 50-75 Dollars more, for a monitor that will not only take up more space, is only 1 or 2 inches diagonally wider, and reduces our FPS by about 30% or more? I love gaming in the 60fps range. To get a bigger native resolution and be forced to upgrade card and monitor to maintain that seems a little excessive. I understand where you're coming from tho, I have gamed on a 1080p monitor and while it was amazing big and clear, i couldn't say good bye to my 20inch 1680*1050 monitor which gets me closer to my prefered range of fps. Thats just me tho.
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it depends, not all cpus oc the same, and more isnt always better, im sure toms didnt want to spend days at a time getting the absolute maximum oc they could squeeze out of each cpu. and not all i5s hit 4.5ghz easily, theres been plenty of posts on ocn about users unable to get theirs past 4.2 and keep it stable. same thing with the phenoms and hitting 4ghz. a manufacturer isnt going to guarantee you OC performance, we are the minority, why trade with the customer when your product isnt displaying as much free performance as the next guy? chip to chip its different, not to mention board to board etc. too many variables to go for the expected OC..

Anyone should be able to get a 8120 to at least 4.5. When I booted up my computer for the first time, my mobo auto oc'd my 6100 to 4.2. So you would either to have to be VERY new to overclocking, have faulty hardware or retarded not to beable to get to 4.5 with little to no effort.

Also the performance gains from raising the reference clock on the FX series compared to just the multiplier is night and day. If these guys are only raising the multiplier for the AMD cpus, it would produce unaccurate results in terms of OC performance.

I know this is a synthetic benchmark, but it does show the difference in performance between pure multiplier overclock and pure reference clock overclock at the same speeds.
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As you can see this is a significant difference in performance. I do not know how much this would affect real world usage, but it would affect it.
 
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Compare AMD and Intel in this area:

if you're looking at 2 processors with the SAME amout of cores at the SAME price.. intel wins.
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"As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point." Wow, that about says it all.

Yeah, it says that Tom's didn't bother overclocking any of the AMD CPUs, and neglect the fact that i3's are negligibly faster stock vs. stock compared to FX-4100 and Phenom II X4... with half the cores. Most of those games only use 1-2 cores. In overall performance, a 955 BE is 20-30% faster than an i3 at stock - not huge, but when you factor in a 20% OC, it's non-negligible considering the (lack of) price difference. Intel dual-cores over AMD quads only makes sense if you're building a gaming laptop just to play games, and if you neglect the fact that more new games will use 4 cores.

In reality (ignoring power consumption), AMD quads are the best in the $100-130 range, straight-up i5-2300 or something is the best for ~$150-180, and the 2500k is the best at $220. If all you need is single/dual threaded performance at stock, then Intel is best at every price point.
 
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