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Another uneducated comment. The reason for using a 7970 is to eliminate any possible GPU limitation/bottleneck and show the differences between CPU's. The fact that you would say something like "nobody would build such a system" shows you don't understand the purpose and meaning of such benchmarks.

Well you seem to have missed the point of benchmarks all together. They are meant to stimulate real world performance so that you can base your hardware purchase on hard facts.

There is no real world application behind testing a 550$ gpu with a 80$ Pentium.
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Wait wait wait. Does it not strike anyone as odd that an old architecture chip like a Phenom II, for instance the 980 with a stock clock of 3.7Ghz, still averages roughly as well as two-generation newer chips? Doesn't that say something about older hardware?
It's obvious that they get beat by i5 and i3 chips, but the averages and minimums are so close to each other, what's the real difference? Price you pay is a factor, sure; but you can't deny the Phenom II's still 'hold up' well enough.
It's basically like it is with 1366. If you have 1366, there was really no point in upgrading to second-gen chips and platforms, and the same can be said for AM3. Moving forward to AM3+ with BD processors proved no miraculous improvement. While the second-gen Intel chips proved bigger gains over previous generations, if I had 1366 instead of AM3, I wouldn't have upgraded to i5 for marginal gains.
Anyways, I think it's obvious that while the trend shows i3 and i5 as a current buy now, if you're on a platform that's AM3, or 1366/1156, there's no real reason to upgrade the platform right now.
That's my opinion and why I haven't switched anything but processors / video cards within my platform.

CPU does not matter all that much at 1920x1080, the gpu matters way more. That is why this article is soo useless. They should have benched at something like 800x600, or 1024x768. That would have shown the real differences between the cpus in game.
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Wait wait wait. Does it not strike anyone as odd that an old architecture chip like a Phenom II, for instance the 980 with a stock clock of 3.7Ghz, still averages roughly as well as two-generation newer chips? Doesn't that say something about older hardware?
It's obvious that they get beat by i5 and i3 chips, but the averages and minimums are so close to each other, what's the real difference? Price you pay is a factor, sure; but you can't deny the Phenom II's still 'hold up' well enough.
It's basically like it is with 1366. If you have 1366, there was really no point in upgrading to second-gen chips and platforms, and the same can be said for AM3. Moving forward to AM3+ with BD processors proved no miraculous improvement. While the second-gen Intel chips proved bigger gains over previous generations, if I had 1366 instead of AM3, I wouldn't have upgraded to i5 for marginal gains.
Anyways, I think it's obvious that while the trend shows i3 and i5 as a current buy now, if you're on a platform that's AM3, or 1366/1156, there's no real reason to upgrade the platform right now.
That's my opinion and why I haven't switched anything but processors / video cards within my platform.

I had a phenom 2 940 and a 1090T before my 2500k. I would never buy a bulldozer, would go back to a phenom first.
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to me these benchmarks gives me a indication of what proccessor i can get cheaper then the 2500k while keeping it near the 2500k performance (which the 2400 would be best bet) redface.gif
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Well you seem to have missed the point of benchmarks all together. They are meant to stimulate real world performance so that you can base your hardware purchase on hard facts.
There is no real world application behind testing a 550$ gpu with a 80$ Pentium.

You are wrong here. They have to try and isolate the cpu. So they use the high end gpu to try and eliminate gpu bottleneck (although why they benched at 1920x1080 only they know). You then can see the difference between all processors and decide which will best suite your needs at a given price point. If they used different gpu's we would have no idea how much of the performance difference was because of the gpu and how much b/c of the cpu.
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This is what years of entire server focused architectures will do to you, AMD.

I don't even know if that's what they were doing...AMD has almost none of the server market these days. They've been below 10% market share for a while. I think it is more like they were trying to make one CPU for both servers and workstations/PCs and they succeeded, but a it's a jack of all trades and master of none.

Unfortunately, I think this test is kind of fail. If the resolution is too high you get test results based more on the GPU than CPU. While it is valuable to see if a CPU can handle running a GPU, I'd rather just see focus placed on the CPU if it is a CPU test.
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After this long, I think this article serves more of an assurance rather than a brand-new revelation...
That said it's always interesting to see where they stand. Seems the Intel CPUs take the lead except for BF3, where it doesn't really matter for most CPUs.

I'd beg to differ on that, my 965 kept me at about 1/2 the FPS I get now.
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Wish they'd include an intel Q9x50 chip for reference purposes. They are still as good as anything AMD offers for games and a counterpart to the PII X4, so I'd like to see what they do with new cards and drivers.

I especially need to see it because I need to replace my HD5970 since the landlord is complaining about the electric bill.
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Quite possibly one of the worst reviews I've read in a long time and serves as an example as to why a lot of people question Tom's Hardware.

1) Why in the world would you do a comparison between budget CPU's and use a $550 HD7970 as your gfx card? Most games are more gpu based than cpu based so it isn't like the end result is this black and white.
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Yes, we realize the $550 choice is unrealistic in a budget-oriented configuration. However, our intention is eliminating potential bottlenecks, and the 7970 helps flesh out each processor's merits.

I understand the logic, but if bottlenecks are inevitable in a budget system anyways why not figure them in? If GPU bottleneck will limit a $185 CPU to the same performance as a $125 one what's the point of spending more money? It looks good on paper but real world usage/value is rather convoluted.

2) Why would you have 1920x1080 as your only resolution? I can't find any solid proof but based on forum posts, monitor sales, and this survey I get the impression 1920x1080 isn't the leading resolution. The reality is most people trying to build a budget gaming rig want the cheapest CPU that'll give them 40+ fps. Considering 1680x1050 is becoming the new standard you're numbers are skewed anyways for the average budget gamer.

3) Why would you have every CPU at stock speeds and decide to overclock only the 2500k? You could have easily gotten 3 of the unlocked AMD chips to 4ghz. It seems pointless to overclock the 2500K in every benchmark but wait to the very end to overclock every other chip.

I am in no way disputing the greatness of the 2500k - I'm just pointing out the flaws in his methodology and the uselessness of the ensuing results.
    
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Cute, everything at stock clocks (except 2500k). i3's OC headroom is 3-5%. Phenom II 955, 20%; Bulldozer, 30%.

the fx8120 is 3.1ghz at stock and overclocks 50-60% (4.6ghz to 5.0ghz) Not saying its a great cpu even at those speeds but considerably better than when at stock. Things will get better for AMD. Trinity is going to ba a fantastic APU and will give us a sneak peak of piledriver cores, although actual PD cores are sure to be better. I have an 8120 and really do like my cpu. It cost me $190 and I already had the mobo etc. Does everything I ask of it, not a gamer though :-) But I do like to run several VM's and have the main machine a quad core and 2 old pentium 4 machines remote desktop'd into the VM's with each 2 cores and it works awesome.
    
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