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The bottom line is this, in my opinion. 1080p is not your 'average' PC gaming resolution. The average gamer, not the minority of us folks here on OCN, are going to be using less than 1080p resolutions, on average, from 16x10/9 down to 720p. Especially at lower resolutions, the CPU is arguably more important.

And resolution plays a huge roll on the GPU side of things (obviously). Take for example BF3 on a measly 6850. Overclocked to 900/1100 that 6850 is going to average 40-50 FPS with noticeable dips into the 30's, on both medium or high settings with no AA, no motion blur, no ambient occlusion, and at 19x10/12. That's a fact. Take that same card and drop the resolution to 13x7 and you have 70+ FPS average with dips into the 50's instead of 30's, highs well into the 100's, with SSAO, medium or high post-processing, and settings on high.

Testing GPU's at 1080p represents at best a minority of gamers. Most gamers aren't even on quad cores yet! It's still split down the middle with dual cores at roughly 50%.

I wish review sites were aimed at different groups instead of grouping everyone with loads of different hardware into one big review. This review seems obviously aimed at people much further down the knowledge chain than us enthusiasts here on OCN.
    
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Testing GPU's at 1080p represents at best a minority of gamers. Most gamers aren't even on quad cores yet! It's still split down the middle with dual cores at roughly 50%.
I wish review sites were aimed at different groups instead of grouping everyone with loads of different hardware into one big review.

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42% on quad cores 48% on dual or better... its getting close to where the majority of gamers ARE on quad cores.. And remember some of those dual cores are i3s

Primary display resolution 17% are at 1680x1050 and 7% are at 1920x1080... So we're catching up there too...


Thats from a survey of about 30 to 40 million gamers on PC. not exactly the minority.
 
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42% on quad cores 48% on dual or better... its getting close to where the majority of gamers ARE on quad cores.. And remember some of those dual cores are i3s
Primary display resolution 17% are at 1680x1050 and 7% are at 1920x1080... So we're catching up there too...
Thats from a survey of about 30 to 40 million gamers on PC. not exactly the minority.

I'm confused by your post, unless you're agreeing with me that roughly 50% of gamers are essentially still on dual-core machines? confused.gif

And 7% of gamers using 19x10 and 17% using 16x10 surely is a minority of gamers....
    
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Unless I totally missed it, it was kind of pointless to not overclock the cpu's that were unlocked, aside from the 2500k they appear to have left them all at stock, that and we all know the 2500k will do an easy 4.5ghz, 8120 easy 4.6ghz, 1100T easy 4.0-4.1ghz, etc

Its like it was writen for someone that never plans to oc or something....I was surprised how close in some games amd was and how far it was in others. My 1100T at 4.2ghz was a beast, but im on day 2 with a 2500k (first day with test OC 4.8ghz) and almost done loading bf3 biggrin.gif Lets see if the hype is true biggrin.gif
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I'm confused by your post, unless you're agreeing with me that roughly 50% of gamers are essentially still on dual-core machines? confused.gif
And 7% of gamers using 19x10 and 17% using 16x10 surely is a minority of gamers....

I partially agree and partially disagree..


we're getting closer to seeing more 1080p display being common. And quad cores at almost 50% of the market is almost a majority of gamers.
 
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I don't understand where all of these non-1080p gamers are getting their monitors. I mean, go to any store these days and almost every monitor is 1080p. I bet you'd have a tough time finding any of those lower resolution monitors at a Best Buy....
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I don't understand where all of these non-1080p gamers are getting their monitors. I mean, go to any store these days and almost every monitor is 1080p. I bet you'd have a tough time finding any of those lower resolution monitors at a Best Buy....

laptops usually don't have 1080p screens, but are also counted for surveys like the steam HW survey.

I'd be willing to bet that for desktops 1080p is much more common.
 
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Why did the 8120 have such a mild OC?
I wish the reviews would explain how they oc'd the CPUs. Ie multi only; ref clock; combo. Because they all affect system performance differently. Just how SB sees no benefit from upping the ref clock, while FX does more so than upping the multi.

it depends, not all cpus oc the same, and more isnt always better, im sure toms didnt want to spend days at a time getting the absolute maximum oc they could squeeze out of each cpu. and not all i5s hit 4.5ghz easily, theres been plenty of posts on ocn about users unable to get theirs past 4.2 and keep it stable. same thing with the phenoms and hitting 4ghz. a manufacturer isnt going to guarantee you OC performance, we are the minority, why trade with the customer when your product isnt displaying as much free performance as the next guy? chip to chip its different, not to mention board to board etc. too many variables to go for the expected OC.

on my i3 i can get the bclk up to 107.2 before i start getting issues. but at 106.7 it performs much much better. physics score on 3dmark11 at 106.7 is (on avg) around p4450(expected for my cpu is around 3900), from 106.8 and on it begins to drop again. still remains completely stable. but then again intel claims that the i3 2120 will not go beyond 3500 mhz(106.1 bclk). my 2600k didnt see much difference in changing the clocks around, but then again i hit 48x with little effort, bsod a couple of times till i pushed the vcore up to 1.385, but now im very happy.
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I don't understand where all of these non-1080p gamers are getting their monitors. I mean, go to any store these days and almost every monitor is 1080p. I bet you'd have a tough time finding any of those lower resolution monitors at a Best Buy....

old monitors laying around the house, come to think of it, my fam probably has 3-4 old monitors that are around 17"s and way a ton.... ebay, amazon, craigs list, trading posts, etc etc. just over the past few months since people have been seeing my rigs theyve been dropping their consoles and going computer. dont worry, the avg will be coming up very soon. i expect the release of oled monitors to improve the ratio greatly.
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When CPU prices are sky high due to a lack of competition, remember who you were routing for.

So we're supposed to buy bad products for the sake of capitalism? rolleyes.gif
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