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Darn the silly LED LCD branding, it's gotten to me. You're right.
On the plus side, maybe this'll rid us of that LED/LCD branding that's everywhere in the LCD world.

I have to explain this kind of stuff to people at work all the time... Granted, they're the people who say their phone gives off so much radiation it hurts their joints and they use a $30 foil sticker to "prevent" it, or, the person who has computer troubles and decides to fix them by copying over crucial system files from their old working WinXP machine into their new Win7 directory.

Never have I used this internet idiom, but; ***... Wow, an abbreviation is censored? Ngghhh...
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So.. hows the input lag?
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Oh wow!
this sounds wonderful. I hope it really is close to CRTs....
It's annoying that our display tech is also reversing. Plasma, LCD, LED, OLED even, are all still behind in terms of picture quality and response times to CRTs...but they do use alot less power, weigh a ton less, and can be ultra-thin. Trade-offs.
Close to CRTs? This is way better than CRTs.
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So.. hows the input lag?
Probably less than any other display, since this display doesn't need any postprocessing to look really good.
Edited by Coma - 1/30/12 at 2:42pm
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...uh, I don't know about Plasma, but I KNOW OLED and a pro-level CRT doesn't work that way.

We may not be on the same track here.

I'm talking about physical brightness; lumens. ie. You could have a red pixel that is very dim to show part of a red car in a low-light situation, less actual light being received by the eye, not just a darker shade of red. There could be a door to the right of the car that a bright light is shining out of, those pixels would be physically brighter, even if they are also showing a red object.

I don't know of any monitor or TV technology that has the ability to adjust the light output of an individual pixel on the fly without actually altering the color it's self.

There isn't a video delivery technology I know of that would give this kind of information anyway. Soon we'll be getting RGB data as well as intensity. RGBI per pixel, if you will.
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I have to explain this kind of stuff to people at work all the time... Granted, they're the people who say their phone gives off so much radiation it hurts their joints and they use a $30 foil sticker to "prevent" it, or, the person who has computer troubles and decides to fix them by copying over crucial system files from their old working WinXP machine into their new Win7 directory.
Never have I used this internet idiom, but; ***... Wow, an abbreviation is censored? Ngghhh...

Meh, I'm in the "hipster" generation. Most of my friends have MPBs and 360s. In their mind, Xbox 360s and PS3s are the only way to game, and aside from a few RTS games, they think PC gaming is weird or unnatural. They won't understand that the Apple iPod cord in my car is simply a USB charger. The cord's going into the car, and they don't understand why it doesn't play music through the cord. Some buy into the whole LED LCD thing I think, but then again some also buy into Beats headphones and don't even know how to transfer OSs. We all feel you.

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So.. hows the input lag?

How's the response time of an LED light bulb when you turn it on? Depending on the scaling chip or whatever, it should be fantastic.
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We may not be on the same track here.
I'm talking about physical brightness; lumens. ie. You could have a red pixel that is very dim to show part of a red car in a low-light situation, less actual light being received by the eye, not just a darker shade of red. There could be a door to the right of the car that a bright light is shining out of, those pixels would be physically brighter, even if they are also showing a red object.
I don't know of any monitor or TV technology that has the ability to adjust the light output of an individual pixel on the fly without actually altering the color it's self.
There isn't a video delivery technology I know of that would give this kind of information anyway. Soon we'll be getting RGB data as well as intensity. RGBI per pixel, if you will.

? RGB 128,128,0 and 255,255,0 would be the same shade, just different brightness. Isn't that what you want? RGB is simply the intensity values of each color.
Edited by qwertymac93 - 1/30/12 at 2:59pm
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? RGB 12,12,0 and 24,24,0 would be the same shade, just different brightness. Isn't that what you want?

Is that right? Maybe I was mistaken. I thought current technology couldn't change the actual intensity of light delivered to the eye of the user, it was always the same "lumen" just shaded differently to "emulate" darkness. Can current CRT/LCD monitors dim individual pixels?

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I guess that would make sense, now that I think about it. The 3 colors would have to vary in brightness to generate different colors...

Wonder what I confused myself with, sorry about that.
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? RGB 12,12,0 and 24,24,0 would be the same shade, just different brightness. Isn't that what you want?

Exactly what I was thinking. It's, in fact, the exact opposite of what he posted.

EDIT: You are correct in your thinking of how an LCD display works, just wrong on the RGB part. An LCD pixel blocks the backlight - an RGB LED display changes brightness directly, since there is no backlight.
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isnt response time measured in milliseconds? not trying to rip on u or anything, but i'm just wonder if crt's are really THAT responsive.

CRT's have instant response time. None. It's very noticable.

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Big difference to me. I can't stand the motion blur on LCD's. It bugs the crap and looks unatural to me.
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Is that right? Maybe I was mistaken. I thought current technology couldn't change the actual intensity of light delivered to the eye of the user, it was always the same "lumen" just shaded differently to "emulate" darkness. Can current CRT/LCD monitors dim individual pixels?
...

This is how all CRT's work from what I understand.
oLED and plasma displays do this as well.
Some LCD's can try and fake it by dimming the backlight(doesn't work too well).

Basically anything that isn't an LCD can do this. thumb.gif

The issue with crt/oLED/plasma displays is each pigment/phospher has a different reaction to intensity. i.e. a green phospher on a crt might be more sensitive than a blue one, so the display can't just take raw RGB data and blast it on screen, it has to adjust the values for the sensitivity of the different colors. All of this work is done behind the scenes though so there is no need for a new pixel format(though RGBA would probably work if you really wanted to separate luma and chroma).
Edited by qwertymac93 - 1/30/12 at 3:14pm
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