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Plasma is a huge step up from a TN LCD panel in terms of colors, brightness, viewing angles, and higher response time (IPS LCD is a bit more in line with plasma displays in some aspects) but it's also requires a lot more power to run the screen, doesn't work well in higher altitudes, has a higher chance for radio interference, and due to a high amount of IR emissions, can interfere with IR devices and not to mention the worst of them all, burn-in. Also it's not practical for smaller applications (like a desktop monitors) but works well for much larger screens (like a 152" 2160p TV Panasonic showed off at CES 2010.) Plasma is falling out of style as about 1/2 of the manufactures that made plasma display no longer do, but is still shown in the budget category because it's usually cheaper in the larger TV section, like around the 60" range. A decent 60" LCD goes around $1500 while a plasma of the same size is about $1000.

The problem with OLED is that they have very short lifespan compared to other technologies, something around the average of 14000 hours for the blue OLEDs. LCDs and regular LEDs have lifetimes of around 40000 hours depending on quality, etc, but the lifespan of OLEDs are increasing as time goes on, but they're still slightly susceptible to burn-in due to the fact that each pixel is it's own source of light, much like plasma. OLED can be energy efficient most of the time, as long as you don't have much white on the screen. That's one reason why I don't see a OLED phone worth it to me, as a huge majority of sites and backgrounds are white. Also they are very sensitive to UV rays, so if there isn't a high quality UV film covering it, the OLEDs will be damaged, hence why I don't see a OLED TV being very practical over time.

This "Crystal LED" sounds way more stable than OLEDs and could eventually overtake OLEDs in TVs and desktop displays. Of course it'll all depend on if Sony can use it to achieve a large dpi, which it's sounding like it's the next step for displays.
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lol, this is essentially what I am making, but only 100 pixels wink.gif a christmas lights display with 900 LEDs (3R, 3G, 3B leds per pixel).

exciting smile.gif http://hackaday.com/2010/02/26/10x10-led-matrix/ but better.
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I have a 50'' Plasma from Panasonic I got this year. I hooked my PC up to it and it's amazing. Close to CRT in terms of almost no motion blur. Very smooth and awesome experience.
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Ya but this is non-organic. So it should take all of the benefits of current display technologies and remove almost all negative attributes. Really I can't think of any negatives. Price is unknown and if they can condense the pixel sizes down to computer display size is still unknown. Everything else display-stat wise is incredible.

Since they already had a display at CES 2012, I would imagine they've already reached that point.
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This "Crystal LED" sounds way more stable than OLEDs and could eventually overtake OLEDs in TVs and desktop displays

And PETA won't go crazy because crystal LED isn't organic laugher.gif
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Since they already had a display at CES 2012, I would imagine they've already reached that point.

Yes as the OP I already mentioned the display at CES and posted the Youtube video. The display is a 55", but to get that amount of LED "pixels" down to computer monitor size will take a huge size reduction.

Also, how in the world did this thread turn into a CRT bashing topic? As a FW900 user, I do agree they are big, heavy, ugly and put out a lot of heat. But for zero input lag and crystal clear motion, LCD isn't even in the ball park. I've used every LCD display technology and they all fall short. Just this weekend I had a Samsung S23A750D 120Hz TN and a Samsung S27A850D PLS next to the FW900 and the blur for motion is just too great. LCD's are fine though for static images and slow motion.

The reason this Sony "Crystal LED" technology is so awesome is that it is virtually all pro's and zero con's, something that no other display has been able to achieve. thumb.gif
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Plasma is a huge step up from a TN LCD panel in terms of colors, brightness, viewing angles, and higher response time (IPS LCD is a bit more in line with plasma displays in some aspects) but it's also requires a lot more power to run the screen, doesn't work well in higher altitudes, has a higher chance for radio interference, and due to a high amount of IR emissions, can interfere with IR devices and not to mention the worst of them all, burn-in. Also it's not practical for smaller applications (like a desktop monitors) but works well for much larger screens (like a 152" 2160p TV Panasonic showed off at CES 2010.) Plasma is falling out of style as about 1/2 of the manufactures that made plasma display no longer do, but is still shown in the budget category because it's usually cheaper in the larger TV section, like around the 60" range. A decent 60" LCD goes around $1500 while a plasma of the same size is about $1000.
The problem with OLED is that they have very short lifespan compared to other technologies, something around the average of 14000 hours for the blue OLEDs. LCDs and regular LEDs have lifetimes of around 40000 hours depending on quality, etc, but the lifespan of OLEDs are increasing as time goes on, but they're still slightly susceptible to burn-in due to the fact that each pixel is it's own source of light, much like plasma. OLED can be energy efficient most of the time, as long as you don't have much white on the screen. That's one reason why I don't see a OLED phone worth it to me, as a huge majority of sites and backgrounds are white. Also they are very sensitive to UV rays, so if there isn't a high quality UV film covering it, the OLEDs will be damaged, hence why I don't see a OLED TV being very practical over time.
This "Crystal LED" sounds way more stable than OLEDs and could eventually overtake OLEDs in TVs and desktop displays. Of course it'll all depend on if Sony can use it to achieve a large dpi, which it's sounding like it's the next step for displays.

Plasmas are not "falling out of style." The market for plasma TV developers has shrunk due to competition. For some developers that left the plasma market, it is much easier to crank out average LCD panels and throw them at Walmart customers rather than invest the time necessary to optimize plasma television technology. For example, Pioneer still has arguably the best display on the market, but as anyone can see their market saturation does not extend to the casual consumer. The barrier to entry for plasma is quite high given the current players in market.

There was also a plethora of new plasma TVs on display at CES (the VT50 for example). The death knells are certainly not tolling as you say. For optimal picture quality and deep blacks, no LCD really touches Panasonic, Sharp, or Sony plasma displays.

As far as the OLED blue emitters are concerned, great leaps have been made to dramatically improve their life. It isn't a matter of if, but when the displays will start hitting mainstream homes.
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Plasmas are not "falling out of style." ....

Well, the problem with plasma's is they aren't as bright as lcd tv's, when you see a plasma right next to a lcd in a store, the lcd appears "better" because it is brighter and has artificially boosted saturation and contrast. The sad thing is the lcd tv's actually look worse when you get them home, because you don't have gigantic overhead florescent lights blinding you to how horrible the black levels are, and how unnatural the colors look(NEON GREEN GRASS).

If plasma's were sold exclusively in moderately lit rooms(i.e. best buy's "magnolia" room) people would actually be able to appreciate the technology.
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OnT: I hope we reach a point when they're able to make these monitor small.

OffT: I never understood why some people feel such a need to criticize crt technology every opportunity they get. Monitors were made to display pictures, not help you save on the electrical bill, or make some room on your desk. Crt's have better attributes displaying pictures; therefore, given their true intent, they're better than lcd's. Deal with it.
    
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Well, the problem with plasma's is they aren't as bright as lcd tv's, when you see a plasma right next to a lcd in a store, the lcd appears "better" because it is brighter and has artificially boosted saturation and contrast. The sad thing is the lcd tv's actually look worse when you get them home, because you don't have gigantic overhead florescent lights blinding you to how horrible the black levels are, and how unnatural the colors look(NEON GREEN GRASS).
If plasma's were sold exclusively in moderately lit rooms(i.e. best buy's "magnolia" room) people would actually be able to appreciate the technology.

This goes directly with Best Buy and Walmart having a stake in the LCD market (Insignia for instance). Throw in the poor calibration on most of those sets along with a shared, degraded signal, and you have people walking away with an incredibly bright, average LCD television. Hell, most of the TV sales associates don't know the difference, and spout the common convention.
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