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Got a 50'' Plasma.

All my family and friends asked me "Why Plasma?" when I bought it. They had heard rumors that it was worse than LCD, had a huge power bill, and looked worse.


So they came over to see it, VS their BestBuy LCD's they bought for 1800$ with some cheap surround sound system. VS my 900$ Plasma. Instantly are are kind of "What?" about the picture quality, cause it blows their LCD's away!

I researched everything I could about the current TV market. After I did, I couldn't imagine why anyone informed would buy a LCD. One common complaint was Plasma's use MORE power, hence a bigger electric bill.

Well, my TV's YEARLY electric bill is rated @ 21$ / 5 hours a day... A YEAR. 21$ a year. Even if they lied and it was 50$ a year, that's amazing!

Darks are so wonderful. My aunt, whom bought the 1800$ 55 INCH LCD @ BestBuy like a year ago with a cheap home theater set(thrown in!) she says, and this was off, since it was floor model stuff, bragging about the great deal she got.

Mine is 5 inches smaller. 900$ VS 1800$. Could buy two of my sets for the price of hers, and each one would look better. I also took the time to calibrate my set and burn it in using test images from the Hi-Fi forums. Picture after calibration looks great. Pre-calibration, everything is really colorful. Most people complain my picture looks "washed out", but I say "Hey, that's more realistic." I dunno bought you, but when I turn on the default or vivid pre-set, which most people seem to go with, they are way to bright colors.

Panasonic Plasma 50'' ST30. Has 3D, but I don't plan to use it. Set is sexy as hell. My 1080p content looks so good, no one can believe it.

All my family members who bought LCD and heard I was buying Plasma, who previously thought they knew better, are all like "Whaaat?"


Even the Sales guy as BestBuy told me not to get Plasma, he said LCD's were better, when I asked why, he just said they are newer...hence better. Geek Squad is such a joke I tell every family member to ask me first and I'll research it for them.

You could call me OCD about purchasing stuff. I will research it for hours each day for weeks. I will ask on 5 different forums, watch 10 different videos, and read 20 different articles. Most people walk into the store and go "That looks nice" and buys it, without realizing that it could have a major defect.

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P50ST30

900$ on the Christmas sale. One of the best buys I've ever made. I read about an issue, FBR, with brightness fluxing back and forth. I read that you can contact Panasonic for a fix, or model #'s after 1213 would have it pre-installed. So I checked the boxes in store and picked one that was 1353, and no issue.


As for "Burn in" and "Image Retention"

None at all. I even left it on a still screen for like 3 hours. Stupid, yeah? I was busy. I switched to another channel, no burn in, no image retention, nothing even if I examined it up close and at angles, no image retention at all.

So that is a BULL**** excuse.
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Got a 50'' Plasma.
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Yep. Don't worry about the colors, People say the same about my set. it's like they've never seen real grass or something. drives me insane when new TV's come with the saturation, brightness, contrast, and sharpness all turned up to 11.

The lack of burn in is because the modern plasmas come with software that moves/dims pixels that have stayed the same color for too long. It's pretty hard to get permanent burn in on a new plasma, they even come with an option that draws a white bar all over the screen to wipe it like a plasma squeegee smile.gif
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CRTs gave me headaches and eyestrain.

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That's because you didn't have the refresh rate set high enough. 60hz/59hz is the default and it makes eyes bleed. 75hz is enough for most people, but I never use anything below 85hz. It's funny(sad actually) how often I run into old computers with CRT's set to 800x600@60hz when the monitors themselves are capable of much better.
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This goes directly with Best Buy and Walmart having a stake in the LCD market (Insignia for instance). Throw in the poor calibration on most of those sets along with a shared, degraded signal, and you have people walking away with an incredibly bright, average LCD television. Hell, most of the TV sales associates don't know the difference, and spout the common convention.
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I'm not so sure about that, insignia "makes" plasma TVs as well:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23153%3B+-+42%22+Class+/+Plasma+/+720p+/+600Hz+/+HDTV/9748831.p?id=1218166511573&skuId=9748831

I think it has more to do with plasmas being harder to sell. If only these big box stores would just set aside plasmas in their own little room that has real-world lighting, the plasmas would sell themselves. I'll agree most salesmen don't know a thing about the technology itself, only what they read on the marketing pamphlets handed out by the manufacturers and their employers.

Don't even get me started on calibration. It's not like we have to go into service menus and spend an hour adjusting amplitude and color convergence any more. You guys wanna talk about EYE STRAIN? my eyes will never recover.

Uh, getting back on topic... I hope this tech comes with a decent price, since it essentially does exactly the same thing as a plasma set, just possibly brighter and more resistant to wear and tear(burn-in and dimming over time).
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One thing about calibrated color levels looking "washed out" but being natural:

Very few things I use my CRT monitor for involves realism. Therefore, it looking colorful could be seen as a benefit to everything else (such as 'StepMania' + 'CyberiaStyle 6' as I stated before).


And the few things that are realistic end up needing me to turn up my monitor's brightness to a point that the colors get "washed out" anyway, resulting in said natural look.
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Well, there's a reason why graphic professionals still use CRT monitors since their color gambut and accuracy level is perfect.

I find LCD colors "To bright" over colorful, even if calibrated...plus back-light bleeding. Dark scenes are ruined on LCD's as well.
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how horrible the black levels are, and how unnatural the colors look(NEON GREEN GRASS)

I have never seen neon green grass unless it has been artificially made to be neon green on my TV. Colours on my TV look quite natural, not anywhere near as good as a plasma but it's not as bad as you are saying it is. The black levels on my TV are slightly grey compared to plasmas but blacks still look black.
    
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I have never seen neon green grass unless it has been artificially made to be neon green on my TV. Colours on my TV look quite natural, not anywhere near as good as a plasma but it's not as bad as you are saying it is. The black levels on my TV are slightly grey compared to plasmas but blacks still look black.

Sorry, i wasn't clear. I was comparing plasmas to lcds in the same price range, at their default out-of-box settings. Your tv might be from a team that actually cares about quality, but so many manufacturers ship their tv's in "show-room" mode, with contrast and saturation turned up. There is nothing inherent in LCD technology that directly causes over-saturated colors, though the more narrow color gamut certainly exacerbates the problem. At the same saturation levels, an LCD might look more washed out, because of back-light bleeding and poor black levels, thus creating a need to artificially raise saturation levels(and contrast) to compensate. This isn't true on all LCDs of course, just typically the cheaper ones(i.e. the ones in the price range of plasma).
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