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Bank accounts are insured by the government though.
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guilty until proven innocent.
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because clearly the government is shutting down and confiscating EVERY cloud back-up storage site. Amazingly enough, the ones without illegal content are operating just fine, so maybe it's not that the government has its hands all up secure cloud computing. Maybe it's got its hands all up in businesses who engage in shady business dealings and don't exactly follow the laws so well. rolleyes.gif

How many years did it take the FBI to build a case against one file-sharing company and they still screwed up legally? They only went after one site because they could, and I'd put money down because they were pushed to. The timing is exceptionally convenient since Megaupload was about to launch a music service that would've killed the major record companies.
    
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guilty until proven innocent.

thats how america works. thumb.gif
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This is why I will never trust cloud services especially when it comes to data storage.

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thanks god I still more believe in physical drive compare to virtual biggrin.gif only use them for something that I can share not for private use.
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No, because that's a guaranteed chance of success or failure. My analogy makes more sense since there's a small chance that the bank can fail (site gets closed) that most don't see coming until the day it happens. You have no way to recover your money if the bank fails (data from site being closed). Not everybody has a second hard drive, I know I don't along with many others, most people have a barely decent PC to begin with. Same with an external hard drive, though what you're saying doesn't make sense since you essentially listed two things but spread it into 4 to seem like you have a more relevant point. They did use a cloud storage, people don't want to/can't waste money paying for other upload sites or don't trust/know about them. Stop expecting everybody who goes online to have a lot of knowledge about how data and computer components work, since most don't. To add another analogy, it's like putting a boxer into a match who's only an amateur that knows the basics fighting a professional and when they get knocked out blame them for their lack of experience. You can't expect somebody who's an amateur at somebody to know everything.

So banks are insured against that exact sort of thing, there's a contingency plan in place. So it's still not a good comparison, because users didn't have that "insurance" from Megaupload, so again it falls on the individual's shoulders to be responsible for their data and their actions. You sound like the Federal Government now. "Let's protect those people from their lack of technological savvy, because we wouldn't want to hold actual individuals responsible for their own shortcomings". You can only baby people for so long until eventually they have to grow up and learn. If my grandfather and my mother can learn, I'm fairly confident that 99.5% of Americans (at least) can learn enough about technology to not be incompetent and realize the ramifications of not keeping multiple backups in a couple different locations for irreplacable data. But you seem to need some additional explanation as to why I had four things listed, so allow me.

1) I said a second hard drive because even though it's not the best solution, using multiple hard drives in a RAID format can help protect against drive failures and presents a fairly reliable disaster recovery plan, even if a hard drive fails you can just pop in a new one and *boom* all your data is populated on all your hard drives.

2) I said external hard drive because sometimes it's just easier to plug in an external hard drive and back everything up to that hard drive, that itself is a more true form of a backup than adding in hard drives for RAID. Also, you can place that external drive in a fireproof/waterproof safe so that way in the event of a fire or flooding, your data is still safe. Making a backup to an external hard drive is a really good idea, but it’s even better when your data is secure against environmental events.

3) I said use cloud storage because even though it’s a good idea to back up to an external hard drive, in the event of a house fire or flooding it’s possible to lose all your data. So instead of just backing up to a hard drive, you should also consider backing up to cloud storage. Cloud storage is a really great idea, especially for people with connections to high speed internet that do a lot of traveling where an external hard drive or RAID would be a really pain, if not outright impossible.

4) If you’re too lazy or dumb or cheap to buy additional hard drives to back up to, then there are a multitude of other cloud sites you can back up to. You should never just leave all your data in one place, always have a back up to the back up, so you can nullify the effects of any unforseen situation, such as what is currently happening.

You can’t just blindly say “well it’s not their fault they don’t understand how technology works”, because if we fall to using that excuse we can use it for everything and then the world truly becomes a pathetic place. I understand and agree there are a lot of people who might not think about multiple back ups or natural disasters destroying their single backup, but that doesn’t mean we need to look the other way and blame the government for doing this. In the end, the individual needs to be held accountable for their action (or lack thereof), and face the music.

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guilty until proven innocent.

as how it should be thumb.gif
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How many years did it take the FBI to build a case against one file-sharing company and they still screwed up legally? They only went after one site because they could, and I'd put money down because they were pushed to. The timing is exceptionally convenient since Megaupload was about to launch a music service that would've killed the major record companies.

See, it’s interesting you bring that up. Everything I’ve read up to this point indicates that they have been working on megaupload for 2 years, give or take a bit. So when you say “it’s awful convient timing they pulled the trigger” I fail to see how this could be viewed as a “snap decision” when this company was under investigation for two years. That seems like a fairly long amount of time for this to be considered a snap decision. The timing is interesting I’ll grant you, maybe the entertainment industry caught wind of what Megaupload was doing and they requested the FBI hold off a bit until they knew what exactly Mega was up to. But I think too many people are saying the timing means that the entertainment industry heard about this and called the director of the FBI and got them to shut this thing down like they do in the movies. One phone call and 30 minutes later it’s all shut down. That is clearly not how it happened, I do not doubt the entertainment industry had some sway in where the FBI started looking and who to go after, but to say the FBI decided overnight to shut this thing down because of entertainment industry pressure…? When I see proof of something like that I’ll buy it (almost impossible to prove I know), but until then I don’t see it happening like that at all…
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See, it’s interesting you bring that up. Everything I’ve read up to this point indicates that they have been working on megaupload for 2 years, give or take a bit. So when you say “it’s awful convient timing they pulled the trigger” I fail to see how this could be viewed as a “snap decision” when this company was under investigation for two years. That seems like a fairly long amount of time for this to be considered a snap decision.

Actually, that's very much a point I was trying to take. It has taken the FBI (technically more than) 2 years to build a case against one big file-sharing company. This is not unusual for them and it's why they are usually very successful in court: they take their time, get good evidence, and present a solid case. It is extremely rare that they spend two or more years on building a case and then blunder the execution as they've done. Their mistakes with the actual take-down and the written indictment are common to 'snap decisions' or rush jobs. These are done all the time at the local level of law enforcement (gets a dealer off the streets for a little while, even if they know the evidence is slim and the guy will walk), but I can't remember the last I've seen or heard of it at the federal level.

It's entirely possible that timing was coincidental. I'm not arguing against that. What I'm stating is that it's also very possible that the entertainment industry has a lot more sway over federal law enforcement than they ought to and pressured them to act A) before the FBI was actually ready, B) before Megaupload could release their music service, or C) a combination of the two. Remember that pressure does not have to be direct - I can get you to do something by putting a financial squeeze on your boss, for example.
    
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