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I remember running raid 0 with 2 samsung F3 1Tb's and the only game I didnt notice loading that fast over single drive was Halo CE. But the biggest difference was that it did boot faster and MMO games loaded lvls REALLY quick.

A friend of mine that got one of the very first SSD @ 32gb(AData 120/60 read/write speeds) it booted vista from power to usable in less then 30 seconds and he even had 2 extra hds worth to spin up too. And windows ran really snappy. But if you plan on using fraps then you will need quite a bit of speed for your hard drive to record @ 1080p resolutions as my current single HD had a problem doing it while playing a game and record at the same time. But my usb 2.0 external drive worked great and it maxs out at around 26-29mpbs.

As I see it tho you would prob be better off using a SSD cache drive, or the good ole SSD/HDD combo and if you can get a 1tb or 500gb drive with 1 platter in side would work best for seek times. But as long as where your recording your files to isnt the same drive your game running from seek wont matter at all.
 
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The only downside to the single SSD will be the write speed. (This may have changed w the new SSDs)
I have a second gen Vertex2 and the write speeds were terrible. While I'm not sure of the requirements for FRAPS, was is a big hit doing CAD, photo, or any other work with large files.
A friend of mine and myself have gone from SSD to multiple drive RAID0 arrays to get around that. I run 6 short stroked RE3 250s, he runs 4 Black 1TBs. Both beat the SSD in write.
All depends on your goals....
--Alex

I agree with this. I have only two WD RE4's in RAID0 and those beat the write speed of my Vertex3. Granted I'm on an x58 chipset mobo, so I have the SSD on SATA2 (thanks Marvell), but I don't think SATA3 would make much differance. Loading games is all about access time, which the SSD rule, but when it come to recording, I'd go with RAID0.
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DO you see a difference between the SSD and HDD in games.

Some games, yes.

Many games, no.
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I agree with this. I have only two WD RE4's in RAID0 and those beat the write speed of my Vertex3. Granted I'm on an x58 chipset mobo, so I have the SSD on SATA2 (thanks Marvell), but I don't think SATA3 would make much differance. Loading games is all about access time, which the SSD rule, but when it come to recording, I'd go with RAID0.

SATA3 only doubles the maximum throughput of your drives. Nothing big or anything...doh.gif
 
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I agree with this. I have only two WD RE4's in RAID0 and those beat the write speed of my Vertex3. Granted I'm on an x58 chipset mobo, so I have the SSD on SATA2 (thanks Marvell), but I don't think SATA3 would make much differance. Loading games is all about access time, which the SSD rule, but when it come to recording, I'd go with RAID0.

SATA3 only doubles the maximum throughput of your drives. Nothing big or anything...doh.gif

teaching.gif...in real world use unless you are doing large file transfers constantly, there is very very little difference b/w SATA 2 and SATA 3 with current SSDs.
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teaching.gif...in real world use unless you are doing large file transfers constantly, there is very very little difference b/w SATA 2 and SATA 3 with current SSDs.

Oh, you mean like the kind of transfers that you would make during screen capping? Or loading texture libraries? doh.gif
 
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Oh, you mean like the kind of transfers that you would make during screen capping? Or loading texture libraries? doh.gif

Like when you transfer movie files, video recording, large app installers, picture libraries and if the texture libraries are read sequentially then them too. Even then teh drive needs to handle Compressed data well for that too. Bandwidth matters when you have to read and write at those speeds otherwise the sequential is useless.

Average everyday use you will not notice a difference b/w a SSD with 200MB/s read and a RAID 0 array with 1GB/s reads. The random 4K reads is where you notice the difference in a drive.
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only if it reaches your max speed for your southbridge, and i doubt that will ever happen with only two disks. No it will not happen, that would be the best way to do it in my book, use the SSD for OS/Main played games, then use the HDD for FRAPS recording and the other games you don't play as much.

Tahnks for all of your help!
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Some games, yes.

Many games, no.
Correct.

Many games are more CPU limited - or even internet connection limit. My biggest drop in TF2 loadtimes came from upgrading from 3mbit to 6mbit ADSL...

I tried out League of Legends recently - with an SSD I was loading ahead of everyone and then waiting for them. With an HDD I was loading within 5 seconds of the first person and then waiting for everyone else. Both HDD and SSD had no stutters...

It highly depends on the game.
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teaching.gif...in real world use unless you are doing large file transfers constantly, there is very very little difference b/w SATA 2 and SATA 3 with current SSDs.

Oh, you mean like the kind of transfers that you would make during screen capping? Or loading texture libraries? doh.gif
Screen capping probably maxes at 60-100MB/sec depending on your resolution and codec choice. So no, that wouldn't stress your SSD.

And loading textures requires a lot of CPU power to decode everything. The first few textures would get there super fast, but after that it all comes down to your CPU. HDDs have been graphed at reading between 5-25MB/sec when loading levels in games, so even if an SSD halves the loadtimes, you're still probably around the 50MB/sec point.

It's mostly the access times that make them feel so fast. Very little stresses them. Because they have low access times and high sequential speeds, they're ready to go whenever you need them. thumb.gif That makes quite a difference when compared with an HDD - your HDD is probably already busy doing something, and gets around to reading a file 10-40ms later. Even though the HDD has somewhat competitive sequential speeds, the access times hamper their feel.
     
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