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Hi,

I just did my first new build and it has the new UEFI bios, which I'm not familiar with. One of the things I noticed is that some of the settings for my RAM are incorrect. I had seen somewhere else on the internet a post where the guy had my same mobo and RAM and was complaining it was a challenge to get the speed set correctly. That the manufacturer had even told him he had to leave it at a lower setting. He mentioned how he got it set right but didn't go into detail about how to do it.

I don't really want ot overclock anything but I would like to get everything set according to spec. I was hoping someone could help me.

The memory I have: http://patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=5&catid=34&prodgroupid=194&id=1042&type=1

And the motherboard: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/M5A99X_EVO/#specifications

I made 3 calls to Asus tonight and the guy sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Once I get the guy past the fact that it is 'supposed' to be set at 1.65V and 1866 MHz, past trying ot cop-out on me, he's obviously just guessing at what to do.

I see that, in advanced mode, under the ai tweaker menu, the 5th item up is "DRAM Voltage". By highlighting that item you can type in 1.65 on the keyboard. Then if you click exit > save settings and reset, it does, but when you go back and look at that field it is back to where it started (at 1.5V).

At newegg (where I bought the memory) the folks under the "reviews" tab for this product are saying they're having trouble getting the right speed setting. One guy says something about having to set the voltage properly first then the entry will show up in the drop down menu for the 1866 speed. He doesn't give any detail on how he did it though. Here's the link to the product on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220562&Tpk=desktop%20memory%20ddr3

You can see what's being said in the feedback tab.

I'm also going to open a support ticket with the manufacturer as soon as I submit this. Just was hoping you guys might have some information for me.

Thanks in advance.

PS: I also noticed something odd (which I changed) - there's another area that has to do with memory settings: advanced > Northbridge > memory configuration. It has a field, "ECC Mode". That was enabled by default. I disabled it but it didn't help my cause with the other things.
post #2 of 11
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Ok, well, guess I'm on my own again. I'm used to it.

Thanks
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any luck yet?.. be patient someone will help you out...lol this is a fourm not a chat room wth.gif
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So much time went by I forgot I had this thread. I posted another one of a similar nature a day ago. Thx for the encouragement. I'm pretty much stuck not being able to use ny new computer for 3 wks now.
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What is your CPU? Most deneb (Phenom II X2, X3, X4 excluding the 960T) CANNOT run 1866 RAM. You could run 1600 with tighter timings.

If you have a Thuban based or FX CPU, set overclocking to "D.O.C.P" and select 1866.

Even if it doesnt run at 1866, you can still use it during this whole 3 weeks.
1866 vs 1600 is a 1% on avg on real world usage.

(This is a 1 month old thread.. lawl)
Edited by Speced - 3/12/12 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by Speced View Post

What is your CPU? Most deneb (Phenom II X2, X3, X4 excluding the 960T) CANNOT run 1866 RAM. You could run 1600 with tighter timings.
If you have a Thuban based or FX CPU, set overclocking to "D.O.C.P" and select 1866.
Even if it doesnt run at 1866, you can still use it during this whole 3 weeks.
1866 vs 1600 is a 1% on avg on real world usage.
(This is a 1 month old thread.. lawl)

Oh, well the CPU is an AMD Phenom II 925 x4 Deneb (2.8 GHz). The outcome of that support ticket I mentioned before is the guy reminded me the memory is tested on/ optimized for Intel. He informed me that they had never been able to "overclock" that memory on an amd board. I didn't get why he was using the term "overclock" in the context of that RAM. It is advertised as 1866. I expected that meant 1866 out of the box - oc'ing having nothing to do with it. I had considered rma'ing it and getting something different but now that you say the CPU doesn't support that speed...

One thing that may be notable:

Not long after making the initial post I foud a setting in my firmware that automatically overclocked the system - and it overclocked the hell out of it! It took the CPU to 3.4 GHz (from the listed 2.8) and an option for 1920 RAM speed appeared in the drop down menu for that. I selected it, saved the settings and reset. At the time I did not have an o/s installed so all I could really look at was the firmware interface (the UEFI interface). Visually speaking, everything appeared stable - no flickering or anything. The temps and voltages only increased very slightly. I let it run like that for about 4 hrs while I was doing other things. The next time I reset, the system crashed and I had to hit F1 to restore default settings before it would start up.

Now, I kinda require stability more than performance (considering what this machine is for) but I have considered that oc'ing it just a touch would be good. Say something on the order of taking the CPU to 3.0 MHz from 2.8. I thought that maybe by doing that (and maybe fiddling wtih some other settings) I could get the right timings and speed to be read from the memory's table and get it set to the 1866.

My biggest problem is I don't understand how to change settings in that firmware. Past attemps have, for some unknown reason, failed. It just resets what I set back to what it was before.

Also notable:

I've learned a few technical terms and some very basic things about things that come into play with overclocking, I throw them around a little now but I don't necessarily have a firm grasp on it. Just saying....

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Edited by ClientAlive - 3/12/12 at 5:54pm
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Okay I beleive C2 chips are even further limited to 1333~.... You can try 1600 with lower timings for the RAM. The reason Asus said "overclocking" was because the memory is 1866 but the IMC is only support up to 1333/1600 and 1866 on the FX. Your CPU is only a 1333 capable one techically (but most of them overclock to 1600 or even 1866), so thats why its "overclocking". Intel CPUs have a better IMC so it's much easier to run 1866.

For overclocking your CPU to 3.0 Ghz, this is what I would do.

Set the reference clock to 250, set the CPU core freq multiplier to 12. Up the CPU NB voltage (CPU-NB NOT THE MOTHERBOARDS NB) to 1.2v. Leave vCore on auto for now. Also set the CPU NB multiplier at 10x.

Set the ram to 1600 with timings of 8-8-8-24.

You should be running at 3.0Ghz core with 2.5Ghz on the CPUNB. Download prime95 and run blend for a good amount of time to ensure it's stable, after you get your OS installed that is.

note : if you do decide to refund that ram, buy at least a 1600 kit. 1600s are binned much better than 1333 ones, so it will help you with a ref clock overclock.
Oh and watch the temps during prime95. I think the max is 62c
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There are C3 rev 925 chips.  There are also at least a few C3 revision processor setups that are able to make use of 1866Mhz memory at the rated speed.  C3 revision processors top out at about 1900-1950Mhz after CPU-NB voltage tweaks.  Remember that because the ref clock raises all the clocks incl. processor, RAM, CPU-NB... you want to be focusing on only one at a time.

 

I recommend you focusing on getting your RAM to an easy, stable speed first and then using the headroom provided above that; the best place to go is to where the RAM is at its rated speed.  At 280Mhz bus clock you can use the x6.66 multiplier to reach 1866Mhz RAM.  Start at 250Mhz (1600Mhz RAM) with the raised 1866 timings and work your way up to 265 and then 280, using HyperPi at the 32M setting to ensure stability all the way; keep the CPU and CPU-NB and HTT multipliers down until you want to begin OCing them (but keep HTT down to approx. 2000Mhz +/- 100Mhz)..  At 280Mhz bus clock, you have multiplier headroom to take the CPU to 3920Mhz and CPU-NB to 2800Mhz (plentifully high to cater to the expectations of a C3 revision processor).  You could of course also try a 300Mhz bus clock for 4Ghz+ CPU operation and 1600Mhz RAM operation; timings can be lowered to recoup the lost bandwidth, if it matters to you.


Edited by xd_1771 - 3/13/12 at 6:42am
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Wow! That's awesome, thank you for teaching me so much guys.!

I'm wondering though, how I can determine whether my CPU is the C3 revision or not. I run linux so maybe the command: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" would tell me something about that?

I wonder what the best route to go is for me - based on what I'll be using the machine for? When I say that I'm thinking about this bandwidth vs. '?' thing.

The way I'll be using the machine is to install a very lightweight linux system as a base system for running quemu - kvm (virtualization software). Day to day use will be that the base (or host) system is only there for the purpose of running the virutualization environment and all my day to day regular activities will be carried out in a guest (virtual machine). One of those virtual machines will be Windowa 7 since I need that for school. Another one will be a linux systen to use for software development (so mostly dealing with text files and such). I may have another for goofing off/ entertainment and another for media and image editing applications.

What do you guys think would give me the best performance on that type of machine? Should I go after bandwidth? Or... ?

Thanks
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Wow! That's awesome, thank you for teaching me so much guys.!
I'm wondering though, how I can determine whether my CPU is the C3 revision or not. I run linux so maybe the command: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" would tell me something about that?
I wonder what the best route to go is for me - based on what I'll be using the machine for? When I say that I'm thinking about this bandwidth vs. '?' thing.
The way I'll be using the machine is to install a very lightweight linux system as a base system for running quemu - kvm (virtualization software). Day to day use will be that the base (or host) system is only there for the purpose of running the virutualization environment and all my day to day regular activities will be carried out in a guest (virtual machine). One of those virtual machines will be Windowa 7 since I need that for school. Another one will be a linux systen to use for software development (so mostly dealing with text files and such). I may have another for goofing off/ entertainment and another for media and image editing applications.
What do you guys think would give me the best performance on that type of machine? Should I go after bandwidth? Or... ?
Thanks

Download cpu-z and look at it.
I vote for tighter timings and 1600-ish RAM.It's what those kind of chips like.
It may work @ up to 1920 or so..but over 1600-ish..you will get more freezing/instability.

How to lower ram timings: Lower the 4 settings cL,trcd,trp,tras) 1 setting at a time.one notch at a time .lower it..reboot..see if post..lower 1 more..reboot..etc..until you don't POST..then go back to the last one that worked..this will put you in the ballpark
 
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