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It may well be about appearing to be trying to do something.
I suspect the best person for the job would be a very good hacker...set a thief to catch a thief type of thing. Remember when good hackers got offered security jobs....

Point, i rember that 14 year old kid who got offered a job from microsoft. No idea if he was 'good' cos xbox has more holes than a sieve. So meh.
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Point, i rember that 14 year old kid who got offered a job from microsoft. No idea if he was 'good' cos xbox has more holes than a sieve. So meh.

People simply do not have any idea how these things work. Platform design is very very hard. You are working with hardware and millions of lines of code. Different teams working on the OS, APIs, drivers, network communication, interconnects, etc. By design, this hardware/software is required to be accessible by applications.

i.e. The best OS engineers work on OSes... and all OSes have holes. Does that mean that all these OS engineers are bad?

Joanna Rutkowska is developing the first secure OS "Qubes OS". Even she knows that "security by isolation" is the ultimate fallback since nothing can be 100% secure. By definition, something usable must be accessible... this accessibility is a security weakness.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/qubes-os-joanna-rutkowska-windows,3009.html
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It is more of a data analysis/mining and administrative role.
You don't need to know how to hack to identify hackers.

* "More easy to be unfair" has to do with game play, not development.
* Even if there are more people working to hack a game, it is still easier to secure a product. i.e. 1000+ people trying to figure out a password.... the owner just has to change the cipher and everyone has to start again.


This is 100% true. Have you ever done this type of work? It will drive you to drink, and make you pull your hair out. How do I know? did you play BF2 at all? Ever hear of the bfroe.com

bf2s.com

Most of the original team and including the founder of (bfroe) indianscout work @ pbbans.com Same type of work different role.
I'm pretty sure if MaydaX wanted to code a security program similar to pb, I'm guessing he could.

pbbans.com
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This is a wicked job. On top of that, you get to live in one of the best countries in the world!
Soft.
I hike to Tim Hortons in -30 degrees Celsius with 1 metre of snow. Welcome to Canada.
Yup. biggrin.gif It was sunny and 80 degrees here yesterday.

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Stockholm is very far from the North Pole actually, only the very top of Sweden crosses that border, that's like a thousand klicks apart. Though the snow is very real, this winter hasn't been so bad, but the two previous ones were horrific, and it's about to get worse this year too.
Personally I want to move to Barcelona or something later in life, after I finish school. I turn 20 the day after tomorrow. smile.gif
cheers.gif Happy Birthday. Don't get me wrong, wasn't downing Sweden...I'm just not hardwired for cold.

OT: Personally, I think this could be an awesome job. Just imagine the network you could build working at a place like DICE....wow.

Edit: Also, I love reading DuckieHo's sig. thumb.gif 50 Style Points. Must've read it a few dozen times already and it still makes me laugh.
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The pro-active approach is much more expensive and less effective.
Think about it.... We have laws, audits, checks, etc in teaching, driving, financial markets, sports, etc. No matter how many laws you create, people will continue to find ways to bypass them. So, do you as team of 10-30 people want to continue to try to stop thousands of knowledgeable people from breaking the law in every possible way? Legislation or anti-hacks are often reactive.
The other approach is better detection and punishment. While detection may not get less offenders, it will stop the more obvious offenders.... the ones that really ruin servers.
The job posting is for an administrative role... not a developer role. The job is not looking for bug/exploit hunter.

Same thing in my mind, hes the man in charge. So when something goes down hes always the one everyone asks, and would know exactly what to tell the developers to do.
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This is 100% true. Have you ever done this type of work? It will drive you to drink, and make you pull your hair out. How do I know? did you play BF2 at all? Ever hear of the bfroe.com
bf2s.com
Most of the original team and including the founder of (bfroe) indianscout work @ pbbans.com Same type of work different role.
I'm pretty sure if MaydaX wanted to code a security program similar to pb, I'm guessing he could.
pbbans.com
Nope, I haven't done anything like this directly....


I work in financial system development so I work with quants and data mining/analysis. I also have a degree in economics so I know how to view the problem in terms of behavior and not just code.

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Same thing in my mind, hes the man in charge. So when something goes down hes always the one everyone asks, and would know exactly what to tell the developers to do.

It is not that type of position..... look at the job description:
  • looking for an Internet savvy administrator.
  • own the analytical work with our player behavior data to keep our leaderboards and game play filled with fair play.
  • Analyze player behavior data and process reports from the public.
  • Monitor and keep up to date with the cheating community online.
  • Experience working with Data analysis

This is a job for someone with economics/quantitative analysis experience.

Besides, many of the DICE developers have 10+ years of experience with DICE and built Frostbite and netcode themselves. It would take at least a year for anyone coming in to catch up on the backend before they could direct.
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This is 100% true. Have you ever done this type of work? It will drive you to drink, and make you pull your hair out. How do I know? did you play BF2 at all? Ever hear of the bfroe.com
bf2s.com
Most of the original team and including the founder of (bfroe) indianscout work @ pbbans.com Same type of work different role.
I'm pretty sure if MaydaX wanted to code a security program similar to pb, I'm guessing he could.
pbbans.com

I worked with IndianScout on a different project briefly, didn't really like him. His personality suits PBbans though tongue.gif Anyway, to be fair, I think most problems are blown out of proportion. They have to be in order to drive web traffic. So those articles you see about 98% of players cheating, will usually need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I see it like this. You go to London, it's not really dangerous and since living here, i've not seen a single crime myself (bar those riots). However, you listen to some people and they will make it out to be the gang land and violent capital of the world (and... yes, i've lived in Tower Hamlets). Simple really, you hang around in bad areas, you get crime. Same goes for BF3, you hang around on unadmined, 64 player Metro servers hosted in Russia, you get cheats. However, if you stick to the good parts of London, you're safe 99% of the time and in terms of BF3, that's clan run/admined servers smile.gif

Common sense goes a long way biggrin.gif
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Nope, I haven't done anything like this directly....
I work in financial system development so I work with quants and data mining/analysis. I also have a degree in economics so I know how to view the problem in terms of behavior and not just code.
It is not that type of position..... look at the job description:
Besides, many of the DICE developers have 10+ years of experience with DICE and built Frostbite and netcode themselves. It would take at least a year for anyone coming in to catch up on the backend before they could direct.

So you do drink and pull your hair out. J/K,,,, I'm serious when I say you should apply.


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I worked with IndianScout on a different project briefly, didn't really like him. His personality suits PBbans though tongue.gif Anyway, to be fair, I think most problems are blown out of proportion. They have to be in order to drive web traffic. So those articles you see about 98% of players cheating, will usually need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
I see it like this. You go to London, it's not really dangerous and since living here, i've not seen a single crime myself (bar those riots). However, you listen to some people and they will make it out to be the gang land and violent capital of the world (and... yes, i've lived in Tower Hamlets). Simple really, you hang around in bad areas, you get crime. Same goes for BF3, you hang around on unadmined, 64 player Metro servers hosted in Russia,

There are very few admin'd servers in the USA. Here is what I know. My Grandpa taught me keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I know for fact the cheats are using MS net frame and an injector to use the cheats. The source code is out there for free, and there are only handful of windoz injectors. Detect the injectors problem solved. Easy to say much harder to enable across 10,000 servers.

That is why there are so many people complaining. Like it or not it is a real problem. Over the top, ban a few innocent players now its a mushroom cloud. Just because the problem is not in your back yard 98uk. These numbers don't lie. Do this 98uk go to the Bf3 PC leader boards use drop down menu highlight KDR and to be fair explain that applaud.gif
Just on ppban servers alone, in the past 30 days1,747 bans, and that's on > 200 servers.

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Would you happen to have a graph of active players vs bans? thumb.gif
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Nope, I haven't done anything like this directly....
I work in financial system development so I work with quants and data mining/analysis. I also have a degree in economics so I know how to view the problem in terms of behavior and not just code.
It is not that type of position..... look at the job description:
  • looking for an Internet savvy administrator.
  • own the analytical work with our player behavior data to keep our leaderboards and game play filled with fair play.
  • Analyze player behavior data and process reports from the public.
  • Monitor and keep up to date with the cheating community online.
  • Experience working with Data analysis
This is a job for someone with economics/quantitative analysis experience.
Besides, many of the DICE developers have 10+ years of experience with DICE and built Frostbite and netcode themselves. It would take at least a year for anyone coming in to catch up on the backend before they could direct.

I'm not sure if your blind, or clearly do not understand English. The job desc clearly relates to what I just said...
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