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These 2 options would cost roughly the same price. Which would you go with and why?

My understanding is that dual 6950's would significantly outperform one 7950 (except in terms of power consumption of course) so it seems like a no brainer to go that route, and I might just do that!
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Well, I went CF with 6950's, and I love it! biggrin.gif
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Up front, I would choose the xFire 6950's. However, if you have plan on / thinking you would xFire 7950's down the road (3months or so when prices probably drop), I would consider picking up one for now.

If you already have a 6950 and are going to pickup another one, then that's a no brainer.
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I don't have one yet. But I think that's what i'm going to do. I want to post on the marketplace to say what I want but I can't seem to figure out how to post in there for some reason :s
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I would go with a 7950.

CrossfireX is in no way stable or smooth in usage to actually compare to a single card, and it haven't really improved all that much over the last 10 years it has existed. When it actually works, the microstutter will hamper your experience and make your great 90 fps feel like 60-70 fps. There are games where it will not work, and there are certain games that reacts horribly to crossfire and gives microstutter all the time at even 180 fps. Not to mention the difference in noise level and overclocking problems you get when running crossfire, and a 7950 would be able to reach 1050 MHz, where it should even be able to compete decently in terms of framerates in heavier newer games like Battlefield 3, Civ V, Metro 2033 and Batman:AC.

The 6950s will also cease to exist in the near future, and I really doubt that life-crucial driver support will keep up with those older cards in a year, and 6950 CFX will fail horribly without driver support.
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I would go with a 7950.
CrossfireX is in no way stable or smooth in usage to actually compare to a single card, and it haven't really improved all that much over the last 10 years it has existed. When it actually works, the microstutter will hamper your experience and make your great 90 fps feel like 60-70 fps. There are games where it will not work, and there are certain games that reacts horribly to crossfire and gives microstutter all the time at even 180 fps. Not to mention the difference in noise level and overclocking problems you get when running crossfire, and a 7950 would be able to reach 1050 MHz, where it should even be able to compete decently in terms of framerates in heavier newer games like Battlefield 3, Civ V, Metro 2033 and Batman:AC.
The 6950s will also cease to exist in the near future, and I really doubt that life-crucial driver support will keep up with those older cards in a year, and 6950 CFX will fail horribly without driver support.

Keep in mind that only matters for games that dont yet exist, and assumes they drop older card support.
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I would go with a 7950.
CrossfireX is in no way stable or smooth in usage to actually compare to a single card, and it haven't really improved all that much over the last 10 years it has existed. When it actually works, the microstutter will hamper your experience and make your great 90 fps feel like 60-70 fps. There are games where it will not work, and there are certain games that reacts horribly to crossfire and gives microstutter all the time at even 180 fps. Not to mention the difference in noise level and overclocking problems you get when running crossfire, and a 7950 would be able to reach 1050 MHz, where it should even be able to compete decently in terms of framerates in heavier newer games like Battlefield 3, Civ V, Metro 2033 and Batman:AC.
The 6950s will also cease to exist in the near future, and I really doubt that life-crucial driver support will keep up with those older cards in a year, and 6950 CFX will fail horribly without driver support.

You're definitely right with the CF issues... Though I quite enjoyed getting my head around them, it was part of the fun for me. Saying it hasn't improved over the last 10 years is probably the biggest load of crap I've heard in a while though, it most definitely has! But then that is actually all entirely my experience and opinion (as is yours, I would like to assume) and I guess mileage may vary with that sort of thing, so we'll leave that out smile.gif

One thing I haven't had though is micro stutter. Perhaps I just cannot see it, but my games play very smoothly. Not disputing that it exists, just saying I've not experienced it.

What are the issues with OC'ing in CF?
Also regarding drivers, I'm quite sure AMD still provides good driver support for the older 5000 series cards (the mid to top range ones at least)? No?

Do you have a source backing up your statement that the 6950's will cease to exist in the near future, or that AMD will discontinue driver support for those cards? One thing that annoys me here is people trying to state facts (i.e. not labeling said statement as their own opinion) without providing a reference.

With that said, now that the newer cards are out, I would second your opinion on going with the 7950. However, I don't think the OP would regret going down the 6950 CF road at all!
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Keep in mind that only matters for games that dont yet exist, and assumes they drop older card support.

Not really, CFX-support was in no way good enough for me when I swapped my 6950s for a single 7970:
Sure, I lost about 10% in average framerate, but I gained about 40% minimum framerate and the smoothness in games is unmatched by any CFX/SLI-configuration I've recently tried (460, 570, 3x580, 6950, 6990+6970). Not to mention I don't have to deal with that pesky powertune/voltage problem when overclocking anymore.
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I would take the 2 6950's and unlock them to 6970's:p

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Saying it hasn't improved over the last 10 years is probably the biggest load of crap I've heard in a while though, it most definitely has! But then that is actually all entirely my experience and opinion (as is yours, I would like to assume) and I guess mileage may vary with that sort of thing, so we'll leave that out smile.gif
Alternate Frame Rendering's inherent issues with Microstutter hasn't improved the slightest in the last 10 years. The problems with uneven frame time are still noticable.
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One thing I haven't had though is micro stutter. Perhaps I just cannot see it, but my games play very smoothly. Not disputing that it doesn't exist, just saying I've not experienced it.
Then consider yourself lucky, because it's a pain in the behind and detracts from playability to the point where I stop enjoying the game and start focusing on how badly the game plays.
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What are the issues with OC'ing in CF?
Powertune not setting itself properly
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Also regarding drivers, I'm quite sure AMD still provides good driver support for the older 5000 series cards (the mid to top range ones at least)? No?
The only problem the AMD side has with drivers today are with CrossfireX, not enabling, not working, not detecting cards, you name it.
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Do you have a source backing up your statement that the 6950's will cease to exist in the near future, or that AMD will discontinue driver support for those cards? One thing that annoys me here is people trying to state facts (i.e. not labeling said statement as their own opinion) without providing a reference.
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With that said, now that the newer cards are out, I would second your opinion on going with the 7950. However, I don't think the OP would regret going down the 6950 CF road at all!
Going down the CFX road without first having the best performing graphics cards available is a stupid idea. CFX is a technology that exists to extend the reach of playable performance where a single GPU is unable to meet demands, treating it as a viable alternative to a single card is asking for trouble.

In my humble experience and opinion, that is.
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