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Geez guys... while we can effectively argue that one, the other, or both are not actually Laws, we can or should be able to see the basic truth in both simply because it is "the Nature of the Beast" as observed over time with few, if any, exceptions.

Rather than quote the Frog and Scorpion joke I will tell you a story that actually happened. When my Son was 4 years old, he was playing outside and spotted a wasp drowning in water caught in a car tire. The wasp could not get out of the water and climb the steep curving sides while wet. So my Son carefully used a twig to give the wasp a "ladder" to climb out. Of course upon getting out it immediately stung him. It tore my heart out to see, but it was a very valuable lesson because I explained to him that bees are not evil, they are simply trying to survive and have instincts that usually keep them alive and safe from danger and that the wasp neither knew nor cared that my Son saved him, since he had no way of knowing if it was just so he could eat it.

Corporations must have "clout" or power to survive in a competitive world and it is an unbelievably complex world. Many corporations have subsidiaries that do business, in fact depend on business that the parent competes with. It is rarely clear exactly who is on your side and who wishes your demise and may even wish to eat you.

Technology is a tool and by it's very complexity in this advanced world where so little is "user serviceable" on a deep level (think you can whip up a CPU in your basement?) corporations do indeed tend to employ any weapon they can to survive and grow ever more powerful, even if it means some of the other companies and individuals (even some customers) that support them are hurt in the process. To them it is just "doing business" by spreadsheet for cost/risk vs/ return. It is their Nature.

As for Technology, as much as I love it, I am not blind to the trend that fewer people today than say, even 100 years ago, know how to survive on their own anymore and are utterly dependent on others, especially corporations, to supply them with their needs and desires. It is easy to see why a Dark Ages lasting hundreds of years followed the Fall or Rome. That's not pessimism. That's Historical Fact.
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post #12 of 17
Wasps and yellow jackets are purely evil. They are pretty paranoid. Bees are not wasps, they are bees. They only sting a person when they are directly threatened. You can even waft them away gently and they won't care. Stallman is a squatter loser who refuses to grow up, but he's right about this one. Look at all of the enterprise-grade stuff that is 5 years old, now obsolete in that field, but still completely unaffordable to consumers. People don't get to run corporations being nice, charitable people. They get there because they are psychopaths whose only interests are their own gains. Once they're at the top they look to squash the souls of the masses for their own amusement, whether that be by making laws that only us peons have to follow, or by bankrupting us by making laws requiring us to buy their crap.
 
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post #13 of 17
I semi-agree with RMS. Technology always empowers someone. The (free) internet has empowered everyone much more than it has empowered corporations. Sure, most technology empowers corporations, but they're the ones investing in the technology. They're trying to improve the world via capitalism. Also, there are plenty of nonprofit foundations investing in technology to improve the world as well. I don't think technology is inherently restricting users, but nowadays it sure is a popular theme.
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Originally Posted by Jimi View Post

I semi-agree with RMS. Technology always empowers someone. The (free) internet has empowered everyone much more than it has empowered corporations. Sure, most technology empowers corporations, but they're the ones investing in the technology. They're trying to improve the world via capitalism. Also, there are plenty of nonprofit foundations investing in technology to improve the world as well. I don't think technology is inherently restricting users, but nowadays it sure is a popular theme.

^Some of this more than the tin-foil hat wearer that bumped this thread one post before you.

Technology is inherently nothing. Just like religion/history/science/math/language...the good or bad comes from the applications of by people and corporations(notice I separated them). Right now sadly, people are more than happy to trade their freedoms, choice, and power for comfort/complacency/cheapness/easiness sold by corporations. I don't think corporations are trying to improve the world via capitalism...that is actually just a part of capitalism they probably aren't happy with or more likely don't care to think about (an afterthought).

@ramicio: If you haven't taken business classes I suggest you do as you will learn the really horrifying thing...companies don't have to make you buy things...they are quite good (and getting even better) at having you believe that you have to. There's no forcing...just some rather damn scary applications of psychology. And with that in mind just think of how patient they can be since they're indefinite life entities they can slowly work general opinion to however they want over time (granted they survive fights with other corps that want their position/power). Also, companies would rather not develop things in house because they face in the accounting world the fun of having nothing but expense to show for patents, copyrights, and other intangibles until they sell them or successfully defend them in court (hence why Apple is constantly digging up suits so as to shore up the book value of it's patents among other things).

So in short...the sad state of affairs is that right now people are more than content to lose almost all control/rights over what they purchase (especially in technology) so long as it "just works and I don't have to worry(know anything about it)" <-the most common Apple lover excuse I hear). It's two sides to blame right now and sadly our fellow consumer is just as much to blame as corporations and possibly more so since corporation only get away as much as people will tolerate (though as I've stated they can over time change those tolerances).

And like enorbet2 posted I know that if the big corps and most western countries died it would be a new Dark Ages.
     
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Except that corporations lobby for people to be forced to buy things, or have inside connections to make politicians write laws making us purchase things (Romney/ObamaCare). But it's mainly that they use the media to brainwash people into begging for such things.
 
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Except that corporations lobby for people to be forced to buy things, or have inside connections to make politicians write laws making us purchase things (Romney/ObamaCare). But it's mainly that they use the media to brainwash people into begging for such things.

There's no forcing. We're just heavily programmed (through psychology as applied in marketing) to be susceptible to buy things we don't need. Ironically, one of the more heavily sought parts of genetic research I saw was focused on the genes that ID "purchasing impulse control". And I'll just deviate slightly to counter you here: Do you buy/have car insurance? Guess what....same principal you're complaining about "forced" health insurance was used there yet you don't really see anyone but "criminals, delinquents, or poor people" up in arms about it. Over time everyone just accepts it and moves on; eventually suggesting that it being a "norm" is wrong is/will be viewed as crazy. eek.gif

Here's a more thread relevant point (not sure if I made it in this thread)...humans are extremely focused on "comfort seeking" and familiarity. Why do I bring that up? Think of why Apple is so desperate right now to get into schools in anyway it can (the ifad ebooks thing)....it's the same reason you don't see MS Windows ads half as often in the mainstream. Windows has been forced upon you since grade school (although maybe like me you were around for halfbaked DOS computers) and so seeking anything else is extremely unlikely even if what you're currently with doesn't satisfy you. I find people who are unwilling to change from Windows are often the ones most vocal about their "hate" for it for example. Nothing is purely evil or purely good...it is the application of it that determines everything.
     
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So this health insurance won't be forced? You obviously have no clue what's going on in the world, seeing as you put it in quotes to add a snarky, smart-ass tone to it. Because I don't wish to be forced to buy health insurance, I'm a criminal, delinquent, or a poor person? A very mature attitude towards a very real and dangerous problem [is to live in denial.] I also love the pseudoscience you quote about genes that say express a person's impulse control. They're also trying to say there's a gene that makes a person religious. The modern atheists just eat that crap up for breakfast, because now they can maybe be justified going around calling everyone with some sort of faith an idiot. A person's mind is altered by their environment. Modern science is just the latest religion which allows people to not take responsibilities for their actions.

BTW, we had Apples and Macs in school. I remember playing a 5.25" floppy of Oregon Trail on a very old Apple. Then later on we did some anatomy crap on some program that had naked people covered in fig leaves, and those were on newer Macs. So no, I wasn't force-fed Windows. Your viewpoint is a very narrow one which only seems to include your own experiences.
 
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