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I'm not gonna lie this delay is honestly making me think of changing teams, especially cause it does look like another fermi debacle. I'm a patient person, but this is ridiculous.
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Screw Nvidia and their proprietary crap.
    
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Uh? AMD has been beleaguered over the past year with their CPU division, and on the GPU side...nvidia has a higher discrete market share percentage. Currently AMD has designs for all 3 upcoming consoles and a higher overall GPU market share (including discrete and OEM sales).
But nvidia has more money to throw around compared to AMD's GPU division, and has had the fastest card since 2009, so yes, AMD IS the underdog.
This is slightly off topic but I can't see anyone would think otherwise, but thats kind of why I like rooting for AMD. They are the underdog who hasn't had the fastest GPU or highest discrete share since 2009, i'm happy to see them do well. The other reasons nvidia has a sour taste in my mouth lately is their guerilla trash marketing campaign, and their CEO who seems like a complete arrogant jerk. I do like NV's products, but there's not much to like with the company because of those 2 reasons (IMO)

Like I said AMD is far from a underdog.....
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Like I said AMD is far from a underdog.....

Your argument completely convinced me
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Uh? AMD has been beleaguered over the past year with their CPU division, and on the GPU side...nvidia has a higher discrete market share percentage. Currently AMD has designs for all 3 upcoming consoles and a higher overall GPU market share (including discrete and OEM sales).
But nvidia has more money to throw around compared to AMD's GPU division, and has had the fastest card since 2009, so yes, AMD IS the underdog.
This is slightly off topic but I can't see anyone would think otherwise, but thats kind of why I like rooting for AMD. They are the underdog who hasn't had the fastest GPU or highest discrete share since 2009, i'm happy to see them do well. The other reasons nvidia has a sour taste in my mouth lately is their guerilla trash marketing campaign, and their CEO who seems like a complete arrogant jerk. I do like NV's products, but there's not much to like with the company because of those 2 reasons (IMO)

You haven't seen AMD's marketing ads recently, have you? The FX ones are getting worse than those hardware ads, although it's still not as dirty as some of Intel's or Nvidia's.

They are the underdog on the CPU side, but it's not so clear cut on the GPU side. Like you said, they have more console market share (which is a MUCH bigger market than discrete GPUs). Ever since the 4870, AMD's top end card has almost always been more cost effective, while Nvidia has a bad habit of making gargantuan, mega-die monsters with bad yields. The GTX 2xx series, for example, was totally undercut by the 4870, and Fermi was a big flaming mess behind the curtains.
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I'd love to see Kepler come out and trash the 7970. It would mean throwing another card into my system for far less than I paid for the first.
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As much as I get a kick out of the big dog Nvidia screwing up so AMD can gain some ground I want the next Nvidia cards out as soon as possible.
    
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I call fake. GPU dies go from 40nm to 28nm, 32nm was never used as far as I know.

You have other portions of the GPU that may use a different process node such as the scheduler, interconnects, registry, cache, etc. When a GPU has made a transistor to a new, smaller process, its usually in reference to the core.

I wouldn't be surprised if GK104's cache is still 65nm.
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GK100 will have 6B transistors, 33% more than AMD's 7970. Nvidia's estimate is something like 80% faster than a GTX 580. Nvidia better hope it's at least 33% faster, but when you consider that GK100's higher TDP will most likely limit OC headroom. Well, take a hypothetical 40% performance improvement over 7970, shrink it to 25% at max OC vs max OC on air. This is assuming the GK100 has monster VRMs, unlike the GTX 590.

Isn't Kepler supposed to have a 1:1 Core:Shader clock ratio?

Clearly Nvidia can't price their single-GPU card above $600. Agreeed, AMD *might* drop their 7970 to $400($450 is more realistic), considering that the die size is about the same as a 6970 they should have no issues on profit margin.

Isn't there a rumor that AMD might bring out a ~2300 SP graphics card sometime this year? That's probably all they'll need to do to close the gap between it and a GTX 680.

And lastly, Kepler is going to be 3-4 months late, minimally. It better be faster.
 
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Things you're forgetting:
GK100 will have 6B transistors, 33% more than AMD's 7970. Nvidia's estimate is something like 80% faster than a GTX 580. Nvidia better hope it's at least 33% faster, but when you consider that GK100's higher TDP will most likely limit OC headroom. Well, take a hypothetical 40% performance improvement over 7970, shrink it to 25% at max OC vs max OC on air. This is assuming the GK100 has monster VRMs, unlike the GTX 590.
Isn't Kepler supposed to have a 1:1 Core:Shader clock ratio?
Clearly Nvidia can't price their single-GPU card above $600. Agreeed, AMD *might* drop their 7970 to $400($450 is more realistic), considering that the die size is about the same as a 6970 they should have no issues on profit margin.
Isn't there a rumor that AMD might bring out a ~2300 SP graphics card sometime this year? That's probably all they'll need to do to close the gap between it and a GTX 680.
And lastly, Kepler is going to be 3-4 months late, minimally. It better be faster.

I think you're right. If so, I'm expecting an Evergreen->Cayman/Fermi->Fermi repeat here.

AMD is the first to a new fab process, as they were with the 5870, and Nvidia can't touch them for now. Green team will put out a mega-die fire breathing monster, with a better architecture, but it'll be delayed and have bad yields. While the fabs are still stuck at 28nm (every shrink gets harder, after all), Nvidia will put some band-aids on Kepler (like Fermi), AMD will evolve GCN a bit (as they did with VLIW), and the top end AMD card will end up matching the original Kepler monster for less $$, while GK100 with band-aids will stay on top. As you can only squeeze so much TDP into 2 slots, the dual GPU cards will match each other.
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