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post #51 of 86
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Originally Posted by Kevlo View Post

3D Mark 11:
7950 OC: x2526
580 OC: x2288
10% faster
BF3:
Min FPS:
42 fps
38 fps
11% faster
Skyrim (Very CPU Depended game):
Min FPS
48
50
4% slower
Average FPS
78
78
0% difference
F1 2011
Min FPS
72 fps
67
7% faster
Total War: Shogun 2
Min FPS
32 fps
18 fps
78% faster
Batman Arkham City
Min FPS
61 fps
54 fps
13% faster
SW:TOR
Min FPS
89 fps
74 fps
20% faster
AVERAGE:
19% faster in Minimum Frames
Heat & Power:
7950 OC:
67*C
301watts
580 OC:
85*C
438watts
Price:
7950:
$480 USD
580 3Gb:
Cheapest one is $550 USD
Runs 18*C cooler and uses 137watts less, and is 19% faster (On average), and costs $70 dollars less.
I don't see how it is still only marginally better than the 580 3Gb, would you like to enlighten me on why a card that is roughly 20% slower, runs hotter, uses more power and is $70 more is better?

^This. I'm tired of people thinking 7950 is hardly any better than 580.
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post #52 of 86
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Originally Posted by Kevlo View Post

3D Mark 11:
7950 OC: x2526
580 OC: x2288
10% faster
BF3:
Min FPS:
42 fps
38 fps
11% faster
Skyrim (Very CPU Depended game):
Min FPS
48
50
4% slower
Average FPS
78
78
0% difference
F1 2011
Min FPS
72 fps
67
7% faster
Total War: Shogun 2
Min FPS
32 fps
18 fps
78% faster
Batman Arkham City
Min FPS
61 fps
54 fps
13% faster
SW:TOR
Min FPS
89 fps
74 fps
20% faster
AVERAGE:
19% faster in Minimum Frames
Heat & Power:
7950 OC:
67*C
301watts
580 OC:
85*C
438watts
Price:
7950:
$480 USD
580 3Gb:
Cheapest one is $550 USD
Runs 18*C cooler and uses 137watts less, and is 19% faster (On average), and costs $70 dollars less.
I don't see how it is still only marginally better than the 580 3Gb, would you like to enlighten me on why a card that is roughly 20% slower, runs hotter, uses more power and is $70 more is better?

This. Or at least until the 580s drop in price.
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The 7950 is lookin' pretty good. Time to start saving up.
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post #54 of 86
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Originally Posted by Kevlo View Post

enlighten me on why a card that is roughly 20% slower

Erm, when doing statistics like this you usually throw out the lowest and the highest result (and 3dmark11, cause that's not a game) and I'm betting that results in a lot closer than "20% slower."

You got me on the power draw, but big deal. No one buying these cards care. Also; Drivers matter.
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post #55 of 86
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Erm, when doing statistics like this you usually throw out the lowest and the highest result (and 3dmark11, cause that's not a game) and I'm betting that results in a lot closer than "20% slower."
You got me on the power draw, but big deal. No one buying these cards care. Also; Drivers matter.

Lolwut? No high-end GPU enthusiast cares about power consumption? Please.

Hell, if I didn't care either and bought a pair of 580's instead of my unlockable 6950's, my $120 power supply would have exploded during Furmark.

Yes, drivers matter, and I've had minimal driver issues with AMD in the past 3.5 years that I've been using their cards.

And regardless of both power consumption AND whether the 7950 is 0%, 5%, or 20% faster than the 580 on average, the 7950 is still cheaper.
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post #56 of 86
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Erm, when doing statistics like this you usually throw out the lowest and the highest result (and 3dmark11, cause that's not a game) and I'm betting that results in a lot closer than "20% slower."
You got me on the power draw, but big deal. No one buying these cards care. Also; Drivers matter.
Going by that logic, dropping the lowest (Skyrim), the highest (Shogun 2) and 3D Mark 11 (Because apparently a benchmarking tool is not a valid means of testing now) the average is around 13% faster than a overclocked 580 3Gb. In which, the 580 still runs hotter, uses more power (Which a lot of people do worry about, i went from dual 4890s to my single 6950 because the 6950 used A Lot less power), and is more expensive than a faster card (7950). Further, people who have used ATI cards in the past can tell you that the driver problems are majorly over hyped, i have had 3 crossfire setups, 2x 4850s, 4870+4850, and 2x 4890s, i had no problems with any of them, I also built a 2x 6970 rig for a friend of mine, which has no problems, and i have also built SLI setups, 2x 8800GTXs, and currently he has 2x 460 HAWKs. I have had no problems with any of these setups other than user-error.
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Originally Posted by aznofazns View Post

Lolwut? No high-end GPU enthusiast cares about power consumption? Please.
Hell, if I didn't care either and bought a pair of 580's instead of my unlockable 6950's, my $120 power supply would have exploded during Furmark.
Yes, drivers matter, and I've had minimal driver issues with AMD in the past 3.5 years that I've been using their cards.
And regardless of both power consumption AND whether the 7950 is 0%, 5%, or 20% faster than the 580 on average, the 7950 is still cheaper.

QFT
Edited by Kevlo - 2/1/12 at 4:53pm
post #57 of 86
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Originally Posted by Nocturin View Post

Theoretically, they are the same thing, just like the 590 is just two 580's.
Technically, they are not the same thing.
On another note, why are you being so hostile? That's not normally your style.
Actually, the 590 isn't the same as two 580s at all where as the 6990 IS exactly two 6970s.
post #58 of 86
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Originally Posted by Kevlo View Post

enlighten me on why a card that is roughly 20% slower

Erm, when doing statistics like this you usually throw out the lowest and the highest result (and 3dmark11, cause that's not a game) and I'm betting that results in a lot closer than "20% slower."

You got me on the power draw, but big deal. No one buying these cards care. Also; Drivers matter.


lol, power consumption is important due to heat. The more power it uses the hotter it gets and the more cooling it needs.

 
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I'd be happy to run my 580's against anybody with a 6990 if they want....

Hell, I'll put my SLI470's up against a 6990, everyone at their max OC's on air, running DX11 games or benchies at 1920 resolution or below ...

I shall enjoy the dumb-founded look on the 6990 owners face as they just barely edge me out tongue.gif

For example, let's see a 6990 do any serious damage to my 3dMark11 graphics score:

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2597520

Score you're shooting for on the graphics portion: 11237

Knock yourself out wink.gif
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Actually, the 590 isn't the same as two 580s at all where as the 6990 IS exactly two 6970s.

Hardware-wise, the two setups are equally similar. The only difference being that the 6990 has a special overclocking switch that makes the clocks match that of the two separate cards. Although I suppose it could also be argued that the VRM's on the 6990 are closer to the quality of the separate cards as well wink.gif

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From these graphs it is clear that the gtx 580 sli beats the 6990. Even when overclocked, the 580 beats the 6990 except in 3dmark with a .6 frame difference. End of story. Source

At the risk of sounding totally five years ago ... oh ... SNAP!

I would also bet that if the frametimes were analyzed, the 580SLI would prove to have far less microstutter than the 6990. AMD's awesome multi-gpu scaling is not a result of superior hardware, it's a result of driver programming that doesn't bother attempting to limit microstutter like the Forceware does wink.gif
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Given that more variable framerates generally promote microstuttering, then the 580 sli has less microstuttering than the 6990 as shown in the pics below:
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Source(Excellent read btw)

So, the sli 580 is better than the 6990 by the numbers and the eyes.
Also, just because you have a sli/cf setup doesn't mean that microstuttering will be inevitable. It depends on the gpu, drivers, game played (major role), game settings, resolution, etc. I also read somewhere that if you setup a RAMDisk, you will see close to no microstuttering at all on nearly all graphics cards, multi-gpu or not. Like brettjv said, with cf setups you might get the high numbers, but you also get the erratic frame behavior that comes with it. This may reduce gameplay experience, but, like I said before, there are a lot of variables to take into consideration for that to happen.

There's a reason why sli scaling isn't as good as cf, and that's because they are incorporating something called frame metering in order to make gameplay experience smoother:
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In fact, in a bit of a shocking revelation, Petersen told us Nvidia has "lots of hardware" in its GPUs aimed at trying to fix multi-GPU stuttering. The basic technology, known as frame metering, dynamically tracks the average interval between frames. Those frames that show up "early" are delayed slightly—in other words, the GPU doesn't flip to a new buffer immediately—in order to ensure a more even pace of frames presented for display. The lengths of those delays are adapted depending on the frame rate at any particular time. Petersen told us this frame-metering capability has been present in Nvidia's GPUs since at least the G80 generation, if not earlier. (He offered to find out exactly when it was added, but we haven't heard back yet.)
(came from source above) I hope this clarifies some stuff. If I'm wrong about something please say so because I won't be telling people false information tongue.gif
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