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Is it just me, or what? I haven't been able to load the site at it's new url yet....
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Of course they keep it scarce to maximize profits. That's the point, and the reason why these people are able to create this stuff to begin with. It's their job. Once it's created, they could make enough copies to give it to everyone on Earth for free if they wanted to, but then suddenly all the money that went into the project becomes worthless and the company would no longer bother making future projects. Also, I'm no just saying this because of big corporations. This goes from the big corporations down to the indie devs down to the guy programming his own content in his basement. It's their work, they deserve ownership. If you think intellectual property is a complete farce, let the world give away/sell copied content legally in both stores and online, since it's infinite and holds no true worth, and watch what happens to the digital media market.
Also, whether I think piracy is the most urgent issue in the world today (I don't) has nothing to do with whether I think a creator deserves rights to their creation (I do).
A video about lengthening the amount of time a product is copyrighted. So that proves that intellectual property is wrong? What?

The point is, copyright laws are absurd and over extend their intended purpose of promoting new material; as demonstrated in the particular video.
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Ha, I was going to check those links out but our ISP's have been bullied into blocking them.. Well, proxy is the key biggrin.gif
    
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The point is, copyright laws are absurd and over extend their intended purpose of promoting new material; as demonstrated in the particular video.

I stand by what I said before, but don't particularly feel strongly one way or the other about this part, so I won't argue it. I will say that a copyright going past the creator's life time seems steep.

Also, regarding TPB at its new domain I was able to view it before but I'm not at the moment. In the US here.
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Is it just me, or what? I haven't been able to load the site at it's new url yet....

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I think the US has been poking their nose in (again) to things which have nothing to do with them. Why do they have to act like they run every country as a state of the US? When will they learn that Sweden isn't the 53rd or 51st (depending on which way you do it) state of the Us and it's a small country in Northern Europe.

I'm sure there are US companies having content on the pirate bay.

Nice try though...
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You dont understand do you? they are not distibuting anything illegal, they do not have anything going through there servers that is illegal. So again, who are you to push your morals on others when what they are doing is LEGAL!
You may not like what they are doing but that does not make it wrong...

Obviously they were convicted because what they were doing was illegal... even if you do not agree with copyright laws. They got their day in court many times and their final appeal was rejected and their conviction stands. Now they go to prison and pay a multi-million dollar fine for their crimes.
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It is possible to do a specific Google search that will give you direct links to copyrighted mp3 files (songs).
^ What Google does is on the same legal grounds as what TPB does - they index links/references to material, neither of them host the material, they just host links.
The only difference between the 2 is that Google plays nice with DMCA and their requests because they are in the US and vulnerable, but in Sweden DMCA takedown requests have no effect because TPB will always be able to just argue "we don't host ANY copyrighted material, *bleep* you".

I think the main difference is not necessarily how google plays with the DMCA, but rather the intent of each "search engine" (for lack of a better term). Though I wouldn't say that TBP was like google. Google indexes info available throughout the web, whereas TPB would harvest specific items, where most--thought not all--are there for the explicit purpose of acquiring something that they would otherwise have to pay to have. I think that makes it a big difference.
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Digital information is post-scarcity. It's nothing but a string of 1s and 0s, and can be cloned indefinitely for essentially nothing. Physical property exists in finite quantities and is therefore "scarce", intellectual property and digital information is not. It's kept artificially scarce to maximize profit, nothing more. Do you think the federal government's first and foremost concern should be about protecting the profits of corporations and businesses, especially in this day and age and with all else that's happening right now? Might just be me, but I for one think that thousands of Americans dying per year because they can't access healthcare seems like it should be a bigger concern than Hollywood whining about supposedly losing money to piracy all while posting record profits.
That's an oversimplification of what it is. The way you document something doesn't change what the content is or how much time/money was spent on inventing it. The method in which intellectual property is stored or documented doesn't detract from the content--it's called intellectual property for a reason, not physical/digital property. Take the example where if you have something that someone else worked on as a means to make a living, which you acquire and use which saves you time or money, except you didn't pay for it, and everyone else can do so without benefiting the inventor, you don't see why that's at least a problem? This doesn't transfer perfectly to the situation of entertainment media content, but if someone also relies on making a living by producing entertainment media content, why should they not be entitled to compensation for their efforts as well? The way they end up formatting and storing the information is inconsequential to the actual invention.

I think the problem comes down to the entertainment media people like to enjoy is an entirely overvalued industry in many peoples view--or rather, the key players in the industry are not the people that we generally feel should be entitled to the revenue generated from the industry.
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The point is, copyright laws are absurd and over extend their intended purpose of promoting new material; as demonstrated in the particular video.
I think for the specific case of entertainment media, the material is hugely over-valued. That doesn't necessarily make copyright laws absurd. What I do think is absurd is that copyright laws are rarely used to protect the poor people who invent intellectual content, and almost entirely protect the rich people who end up owning the intellectual content. As if that were something new.

I would say that generally, the entire situation is overblown. I don't think it's okay for people to acquire content that they would otherwise have to purchase/pay for, but at the same time I can't agree with the way the entertainment industry is valued. But that's a matter of personal opinion, and generally if one disagrees with the value, they ought not have access to the material--not acquire it without paying for it.

I'd be pretty unhappy, for example, if the philosophy people hold of intellectual property no longer being protected resulted in the entire video game industry going bust. On the other hand, I would be interested to see what happens in a society where IP laws on entertainment media are not protected.
    
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Now they go to prison and pay a multi-million dollar fine for their crimes.
Yet another case of did-not-read-the-article syndrome.
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You dont understand do you? they are not distibuting anything illegal, they do not have anything going through there servers that is illegal. So again, who are you to push your morals on others when what they are doing is LEGAL!
You may not like what they are doing but that does not make it wrong...

You gotta look at where he's from before you reply to Bizzare. Forcing their views on others is a staple of that place.
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