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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

Obviously they were convicted because what they were doing was illegal... even if you do not agree with copyright laws. They got their day in court many times and their final appeal was rejected and their conviction stands. Now they go to prison and pay a multi-million dollar fine for their crimes.

Well why is it illegal for them to index torrents which is nothing more than a specialized text file where as Google/Yahoo/Bing/Ask Jeeves/Dog pile/etc give you direct links to websites to the same content?

That's like saying it is legal to arrest me because I know someone who has an illegal drug. In the US, specifically NJ, as far as I am concerned (unless someone can prove otherwise), I am not obligated to report someone who has illegal drugs. If that is the case, most of the US population can be locked up because everyone knows someone who has something they aren't suppose to have in some way shape or form. Out of all your friends or co-workers who have music on their computers or iPod/MP3 player/Cell phone, at least one of them has a song or a file which they do not legally own (meaning paid for it). You should by association be locked up for knowing they have that content. Now whether they realize they are breaking the law, that's a different topic for a different thread.

But the fact of the matter is they were technically never in possession of said content. It never even touched their server. If you understood how torrents worked you would know that TPB was doing was giving information. There is nothing illegal about giving information.

For example:

Say Billy(the downloader) wanted to get a song. He calls his friend Timmy (TPB) who is in another country and asks where can he get it. Timmy then says Sally, Kenneth, Ron, and a few other have it. Here is their phone. Billy then contacts to Sally, Kenneth, Ron and a few others and gets the song from them piece by piece.

The people who actually committed the offense is Billy (who did not pay for it), Sally, Kenneth, Ron, and a few others (the ones who gave it away). Timmy never actually saw the item in question to begin with. So why is Timmy responsible for someone else breaking the law? How does Timmy know whether Billy has a copy of the original content already? How is it Timmy's responsibility to enforce the law of another country?
Edited by matty0610 - 2/2/12 at 6:26am
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And no one elected most so called democratic governments to waste so much time and resources on futile legislation and wasteful attempts at enforcement, largely at the behest of lobbying by big media, yet they do.

Fortunately, in a democratic society, non-voters are just as important as those that vote.
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Many would say the same about those who presume to own ideas, information, and other intangibles as if they were unique physical objects.
They could make such claims, but they wouldn't have a very strong argument.
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Doesn't matter how long the sentences are, they won't serve a single day unless they are foolish enough to return to Sweden. Most countries won't allow extraditions for non-violent offenses, so they should be quite safe.

To be honest, I really don't care where they are as long as they can't harbor piracy any longer.
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Originally Posted by Papas View Post

You dont understand do you? they are not distibuting anything illegal, they do not have anything going through there servers that is illegal. So again, who are you to push your morals on others when what they are doing is LEGAL!
You may not like what they are doing but that does not make it wrong...

Just because its not on their servers doesn't mean they don't make it far easier to download/torrent illegal content. They're at least accessories to something I consider unethical.

I'm someone who has an opinion of the world that I see around me... I'm no different from you expressing your opinion on the matter. Who am I to "push my morals on others" is the same question I could ask you and anyone else in this thread that's commenting on the topic at hand.

You feel the need to try and refute me because my voice is dissenting from yours... I say you're "pushing" your ideas far more than I am mine.
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Originally Posted by ressurrectin View Post

It is possible to do a specific Google search that will give you direct links to copyrighted mp3 files (songs).
^ What Google does is on the same legal grounds as what TPB does - they index links/references to material, neither of them host the material, they just host links.
The only difference between the 2 is that Google plays nice with DMCA and their requests because they are in the US and vulnerable, but in Sweden DMCA takedown requests have no effect because TPB will always be able to just argue "we don't host ANY copyrighted material, *bleep* you".

I have no knowledge of this and if that's the case, then I wouldn't free Google from impunity - I don't really have a biased towards TPB.

I would hate to see the internet altered all because of one rogue site.
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post #43 of 71
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I have no knowledge of this and if that's the case, then I wouldn't free Google from impunity - I don't really have a biased towards TPB.
I would hate to see the internet altered all because of one rogue site.

But the internet would be altered if they go offline. By taking them off you change the internet and how information is shared. The only way to stop something like bit torrent is to have the protocol closed down all together. But then you stop those who legitimately use it.

The only way piracy can be enforced is if every website and ftp server is checked for illegal content which is impossible to do.
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The way the worlds going, Youll get finned/jailed in the future just for talking about a movie or song you heard.

not to go down the slippery slope but you make a great point here. pretty soon we're going to be fined for listening to someone else's mp3 player or borrowing someone's movie.
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not to go down the slippery slope but you make a great point here. pretty soon we're going to be fined for listening to someone else's mp3 player or borrowing someone's movie.

Kinda late. The RIAA already says if you are playing music loud enough for others to hear it is considered a public venue or something like that which you need to have the license to do.
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Why should I pay for playing music in public?

We often use the expression "they're playing my song," not always remembering that while we may have emotionally adopted the song, it still legally belongs to the songwriter who created it, and the music publisher who markets it. When you use other people's property, you need to ask permission.

http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.aspx
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Now, licensing companies are targeting restaurants. Just like food costs and rent, restaurants must pay thousands of dollars a year to play copyrighted music in their establishments as well. If they don't, a huge bill could find its way to their doorstep, and the rules do not strictly pertain to music played through a stereo; it also applies to bands playing live. If a band covers an unlicensed song, the restaurant could be fined.

http://www.dailytech.com/Recording+Industry+Targets+Retaurants+for+Licensing+Fees+Sues+Raleigh+Grille+for+30000/article22429.htm
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Fortunately, in a democratic society, non-voters are just as important as those that vote.

Not sure what you are saying here.
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They could make such claims, but they wouldn't have a very strong argument.

Pure opinion.
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To be honest, I really don't care where they are as long as they can't harbor piracy any longer

What?

Even if what they are doing could be considered "harboring piracy", not being able to return to Sweden could possibly interfere with their administration of TPB how?

The great thing about the internet is that you can work from home, no matter where that is.
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I would hate to see the internet altered all because of one rogue site.

TPB is hardly unique.

It's a search engine and bitorrent tracker, which are both a penny a billion.
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Not sure what you are saying here.
TPB is hardly unique.
It's a search engine and bitorrent tracker, which are both a penny a billion.

Lol, AFAIK tpb doesn't even run a tracker anymore - they use DHT/magnet links.
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Lol, AFAIK tpb doesn't even run a tracker anymore - they use DHT/magnet links.

I just a torrent I have. There is no TPB tracker on it.

Only these. And its a newer one.
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udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80

udp://tracker.ccc.de:80
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Lol, AFAIK tpb doesn't even run a tracker anymore - they use DHT/magnet links.

Then they are nothing more than an index.
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Yet another case of did-not-read-the-article syndrome.

Wrong again... They can run but they can't hide. They will go to prison eventually.
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