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You are correct that many U.S. citizens don't care as long as it doesn't affect them. That's the problem with many people... It's all about them. They have no clue or concern about the consequences of their actions. Perhaps if they got to work as slaves for a few years they might understand?
China needs to solve it's own problems. It created them. Depending on the U.S. to carry them is foolish for both countries.

China did not create these problems. Capitalistic companies preying on poor labor laws in China created this problem. China helped expedite the problems by not taking care of her own people.
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post #102 of 141
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I agree with the above post about "if they say it's ethical :- people will buy it." Look at the "trauma" when Steve died. No one knew him, but millions went out to streets and Apple stores and lit candles etc. and were crying. Why?
He is a shrewd business man who would do anything to make more money (reading his half autobiography/ biography) confirmed this. Woz wanted to give his computer chips away for free. Steve made him sell them for hundreds of dollars. I still think Steve has left a legacy at Apple with everyone crowding round the table at the end of the day to see how many more millions or billions they make. It would make them happier if they even had one cent more on the pile. And hence they pay their workers next to nothing :- to make the figure that little bit bigger. This also applies to contracts. Contractors A) are greedy or B) don't get paid enough by Apple to pay decent wages.
Probably the latter.
If anything is connected to Apple, people will buy it no matter what. It is a sad fact of today's society. And something must be done.

Apple employees and contractors are on average, paid more than the industry standard. There's no need to lie in order to support your blind Apple hatred. Woz wanted to build computers as a hobbyist, Steve wanted to start a company with him to share that with everyone.

It's funny how you don't see the other OEMs using Foxconn giving a damn about Chinese worker's rights.

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Vizio

Any of them care about worker health? Nah, they're too busy reaping the benefits of China labor to bother even publishing a report on supplier responsibility, much less, even host it on their own company website. None of them cared enough to join the Fair Labor Association and invite them to independently audit their factories. But now they can all benefit from Apple's influence to improve employee's health and well being.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 2/3/12 at 8:04am
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This type of thing shouldn't be a shock to anyone.. look at human history, we always exploit others for profit/benefit, its been happening since ancient Egypt, since Babylon, since Rome, since Greece.. why are we still shocked when a few saps get hurt building the pyramids.. thumb.gif
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40,000 fanboys need to do their research rather than fanbraining.
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Not by hundreds or thousands of dollars as everyone is suggesting. Even a meager $20 "ethics tax" on top of each iPhone sold, assuming Apple sells 30 million units annually, would bring in an additional $600,000,000. And that's just one product from Apple alone, not even counting their other products and other companies who also use Foxconn and could chip in similarly as well.

 

Also keep in mind that the cost of living in China is much lower than in the US, hence wages wouldn't need to soar to something like $50/hr. to be considered at least decent.
 

 


^^^^^

 

 

post #106 of 141
I guarantee that most of the "fanboys" if presented a choice of an iphone 5 one made in slave shops and one made in the USA (ethically) that costs 10x as much, they would just buy the slave made one. Unions, taxes, regulations, pensions, healthcare, bonuses (all that good first world stuff) it adds up.

Id rather buy an iphone that costs $200 than $2000. thumb.gif
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China did not create these problems. Capitalistic companies preying on poor labor laws in China created this problem. China helped expedite the problems by not taking care of her own people.

China's problems existed long before scumbag U.S. CEOs starting producing crap in China for huge annual bonues... These CEOs should be forced to work in the slave camps for a few years to see how they like it.
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China's problems existed long before scumbag U.S. CEOs starting producing crap in China for huge annual bonues... These CEOs should be forced to work in the slave camps for a few years to see how they like it.


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Yup.

 

post #109 of 141
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ignorance is bliss.
Could you please provide a list of manufactors that have workers work under the same conditions.

Here you go . . .

Companies that use Foxconn...

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)


But wouldnt "those" people also hate every other smartphone since it has close/higher prictag as a Iphone/Ipad?
and by that logic shouldnt "those" people LOVE Apple because the AppleTV is cheaper then fx. a Boxee Box?

No, as Apple has "Prestige" whereas Samsung, HTC and others do not, Can you show me a £500 16GB android phone?

    
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Wrong.
The reason U.S. companies make products in China is because CEOs get a bigger annual bonues this way - NOT because we can't make them cost effectively here in the U.S.
The reason China can make things cheaper is because they use SLAVE labor, inhumane and unsafe working environments, they fail to pay reasonable salaries and they provide no health care for their workers. If you think that's a good economic system perhaps you'd like to give it a try for yourself?
I have a novel idea:
Produce goods in the U.S. as they once were and let China improve their working conditions so their people have a decent standard of living and are not dependent on unscrupulous U.S. CEOs looking for multi-million dollar annual bonues.
What a concept!
The reason US companies make products in China is because if they don't they'll be crushed by every other company that is making products in China.

Let's say Apple did start producing products in the US instead of China, let's have a look at what would happen:

1 > Hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs at Foxconn. These people would no longer have means to provide for their family -- unless they can find another job, a worse job, considering Foxconn is the place to be. It's likely that some of these people will die in the process because the demand for jobs will be very high and not everyone will be able to get one soon enough. (Apple will be scorned for this, as well.)

2 > Apple either has to take a huge hit to profit and keep prices as they are now despite the higher cost of materials and production, or raise the prices and take a significant hit to sales, considering few would buy an iPhone for (a minimum) 30% more than it is now, yet alone any more. All whilst the competition continues to use China to produce their products, and get ahead of Apple.

You can't expect any company to stop using these facilities in China, the best they can do is try and improve the facilities, just as Apple is doing. The only way the life of these workers will improve, is by China passing laws to benefit them -- higher wages, health care, etc.
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No, as Apple has "Prestige" whereas Samsung, HTC and others do not, Can you show me a £500 16GB android phone?
I don't know about a smartphone, but I've seen a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for $579 in Australia, and the iPad 2 is only $499. Both WiFi and 16GB models.

EDIT: Scratch that. My bad, I'm mixing up AU and US pricing. The iPad 2 is also $579 in Australia.
Edited by steelbom - 2/4/12 at 7:28pm
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