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Originally Posted by Cesaro Summability View Post

Humans are not robots. Let me ask you this, can a robot create value? I think not. As an industry becomes MORE mechanized it actually loses value as competition catches up. So the thing produced is worth what it costs to make material wise, nothing more.
Whatever though, I wont bore you all with Economic theory. smile.gif

That's funny you brought that up. I've been reading Asimov's books (obsessively, I really have to stop, but they are so awesome) and he assumed that robots would begin to totally replace human jobs. The problem with that line of reasoning is that, as Marx identified, labor is intrinsically connected to value. If humans aren't employed to produce things, those things will have no value. Assuming products were produced for their use value, rather than their profit value, we would have robots producing everything by now with almost no human labor required and horrible factory conditions would be a non issue. (We certainly have the capabilities to do so. If you don't buy this argument, ask yourself, why is it that we still have humans working in factories?) It's funny to bring that up, because most people just assume that the profit motive always drives technological advance, which it did for a long time. But now, the profit motive actually serves as a huge impediment to technological advance it at the stage of technology we are in now.

Anyway, a couple weeks ago I notice my motherboard emblazoned with FOXCONN logos and it made me sad.

Edit - I hope this isn't deemed political, and to connect this comment to the topic at hand: I think it's great that people are recognizing that the way FOXCONN workers are treated is repugnant, but the only way Apple (or any other company for that matter) is going to respond on the consumer side is if people stop buying their stuff.

As a community, we should organize an OC.net consumer advocacy group, using our collective purchasing power to influence corporate policy.
Edited by stevman17 - 2/7/12 at 2:30pm
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