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says who? We have not defined how much the subsidy is. It could be a $1100 phone, with $100 subsidy.
EDIT: more realistically: It could be a $1600 phone, with a $600 sub (same as current sub). The phones (base model) are USD 1k in Germany, so i mean, it is not unlikely that it could be $1600 unsubsidised if it was "ethically" produced.
this still does not change that fact that improving working conditions and wages will increase prices for the consumer.

 

Not by hundreds or thousands of dollars as everyone is suggesting. Even a meager $20 "ethics tax" on top of each iPhone sold, assuming Apple sells 30 million units annually, would bring in an additional $600,000,000. And that's just one product from Apple alone, not even counting their other products and other companies who also use Foxconn and could chip in similarly as well.

 

Also keep in mind that the cost of living in China is much lower than in the US, hence wages wouldn't need to soar to something like $50/hr. to be considered at least decent.
 

 

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Part of it wonders how much of an outcry this would be if it was about say Asus or Motorola... less than a page maybe?
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What annoys me is how ill informed and ignorant most people are.
Yes Apple partakes in this, however (and here's the kicker fellas) so does every other major electronics company out there!
Apple use the manufacturing empire known as Foxconn Valley, as does every other major electronics company in the world and yet again everyone just focuses on how bad Apple are. Which really doesn't surprise me, this is OCN after all and it really is cool to hate Apple on here.
I just wish you would all stop dry humping your LG monitor and realise it is produced under the same working conditions. So is your motherboard and most probably your GPU by the way, whilst you're at it why don't you start a petition condemning these companies you all love so much...

A good focus on Apple would be that they are the mainstream's connection to this business. If Apple can see a change and people acknowledge this as change, change will come to other manufacturers with time. Apple has a lot of power within this Foxconn Valley. If they can make manufacturing conditions better, then it will have an effect on others who use this area for manufacturing.
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A good focus on Apple would be that they are the mainstream's connection to this business. If Apple can see a change and people acknowledge this as change, change will come to other manufacturers with time. Apple has a lot of power within this Foxconn Valley. If they can make manufacturing conditions better, then it will have an effect on others who use this area for manufacturing.

The real question is why are people expecting a US based company to set working conditions and payment details for another company under a foreign government that has no real interest in taking care of its citizens. This is not a company issue or even companies. Human labor is cheaper in China regardless of industry and for a good reason too; the people there are willing to work as much as companies have work available. This does not matter if its automotive, textile, electronics, or foodstuffs; China offers cheap labor for ALL of that. The problem I see and increasingly so on OCN, is that posters are quick to outcry but with very little intelligent thought about the actual process. It is really sad TBH.
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Which of those three Hydrocarbons is the worst for you?

Silane is far from being a hydrocarbon given it doesn't have carbon in it smile.gif
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A good focus on Apple would be that they are the mainstream's connection to this business. If Apple can see a change and people acknowledge this as change, change will come to other manufacturers with time. Apple has a lot of power within this Foxconn Valley. If they can make manufacturing conditions better, then it will have an effect on others who use this area for manufacturing.

No single US-based company that outsources their labor or parts will have even a minute, noticeable effect on changing the world's most populous country's society. Any change that is made on apple's behalf will be symbolic at best. We might think of apple as some huge, powerful company in terms of revenue and profits, but they're a very small company in terms of volumes of products being sourced.

All of this analysis of apple being some big bad hater of human life (as much as I don't really care for the company) is silly, and it's just a meaningless bandwagon that the hipsters are jumping on so they feel like they're making a difference in the world even though they live sad, trite lives.
    
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No single US-based company that outsources their labor or parts will have even a minute, noticeable effect on changing the world's most populous country's society. Any change that is made on apple's behalf will be symbolic at best. We might think of apple as some huge, powerful company in terms of revenue and profits, but they're a very small company in terms of volumes of products being sourced.
All of this analysis of apple being some big bad hater of human life (as much as I don't really care for the company) is silly, and it's just a meaningless bandwagon that the hipsters are jumping on so they feel like they're making a difference in the world even though they live sad, trite lives.

I understand that no US company is going to change how China does business, but this isn't about China as a whole, but their manufacturers in China. Put a little pressure on those manufacturers for a little improvement in their conditions and safety and that's justified. I'm not some hipster as mentioned that's jumping on the bandwagon of human rights and change all over the world. It's a beautiful, idealistic want for Apple to make a change, but even though that they have some power to persuade their suppliers a bit, it doesn't mean they will. Apple can throw their elbows here and there and hope for something, but I doubt they will. Suppliers like to make their buyers happy no matter where they are based.

I feel it's ignorant of other users to call others arrogant on their opinions on the situation. Not everyone is oblivious to how outsourcing works and why companies do it. Backlash at OCN users is childish. This is merely a trend in technology news because Apple is a large US based company, and opinions on the topic are well, opinions.
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I understand that no US company is going to change how China does business, but this isn't about China as a whole, but their manufacturers in China. Put a little pressure on those manufacturers for a little improvement in their conditions and safety and that's justified. I'm not some hipster as mentioned that's jumping on the bandwagon of human rights and change all over the world. It's a beautiful, idealistic want for Apple to make a change, but even though that they have some power to persuade their suppliers a bit, it doesn't mean they will. Apple can throw their elbows here and there and hope for something, but I doubt they will. Suppliers like to make their buyers happy no matter where they are based.
I feel it's ignorant of other users to call others arrogant on their opinions on the situation. Not everyone is oblivious to how outsourcing works and why companies do it. Backlash at OCN users is childish. This is merely a trend in technology news because Apple is a large US based company, and opinions on the topic are well, opinions.

I think this does go further beyond just the factories/manufacturers in China. All societies have different standards of living, work, values, cultural beliefs, and these are the things that steer behaviors--work and otherwise.

I might respect a company more if they made even a symbolic statement or action about an unfavorable condition, and actually believed things should change. But I don't think Apple will, other than to cover up any bad PR they're getting--not to actually effect change. The US went through a similar stage--with a much smaller population though--and things changed through activism fairly slowly, over the course of a century. A company can make an activist statement, but no amount of Apple throwing money into the iphone will result in a more-ethical product if the society creating the product must change at its own pace.
    
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Now introducing the NEW iphone 5! Same look as Iphone 4 but more ethical!

lol, just like most of their products, make a minor tweak, call it new, and sell it for top dollar as an "upgrade" to existing users.
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I love my iPhone 4S as much as the next iPhone owner and frankly I will not be made to feel guilty about my purchase.

This situation is far from ideal but these workers have a choice . . . . Market Forces People!!!


If anybody thinks that apple is personally forcing workers of another company to work under unreasonable conditions they are wrong, apple simply provide foxconn with a design and a parts list.

If People are angry at apple for something that has been going on for years then its only fair that they know that most electricals in their house were made under the same conditions.

People only care because its Apple, and they only care that its Apple because they probably (in most cases, most!) cant afford a apple product, so they are jealous and will take any opportunity to shoot Apple down.


The only thing I want to see in the iPhone 5 is a larger screen . . .
    
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