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This is the problem I have with brand loyalty. Nvidia is trying to be innovative with this GK104, but somehow you see that as "cheating". rolleyes.gif Working with dev's is cheating? I call that being proactive and smart when you undercut the competitor. thumb.gif Just like AMD releasing their cards with no competition in sight from Nvidia. Great move for them. thumb.gif They already have a nice stranglehold on the nex-gen GPU market. That will get even tighter with more delays from Nvidia.

But it's not innovation it's using something to exploit the performance of a game or program. When these cards go for review and people see the performance in the few select games the cards take advantage of they will be fooled into thinking the card is superior when in fact in most games it's inferior.thumb.gif
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This is the problem I have with brand loyalty. Nvidia is trying to be innovative with this GK104, but somehow you see that as "cheating". rolleyes.gif Working with dev's is cheating? I call that being proactive and smart when you undercut the competitor. thumb.gif Just like AMD releasing their cards with no competition in sight from Nvidia. Great move for them. thumb.gif They already have a nice stranglehold on the nex-gen GPU market. That will get even tighter with more delays from Nvidia.

See:
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Originally Posted by jrbroad77 View Post

Nvidia is still at it. Wow.
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More to the point is antialiasing (AA) in Batman: Arkham Asylum. If you recall, AMD stated complaining about that game’s AA routines upon release. They directly stated that if AMD cards were detected, the game would disable AA for non-technical reasons. (Note: The original post that TechPowerUp refers to has the pertinent sections in the comments, not on the front page. It takes a little searching to find the post that also talks about several other games having similar ‘bugs’.) It goes on to state that if the card IDs were changed, the AA in the game functioned correctly on ATI hardware.

If you'll note, that quote is directly from the article. Looks like Nvidia really was cheating by putting in a line of code in Batman: Arkham Asylum that essentially says "If AMD card, turn off AA".

Is that legal? I suppose it might be. Should there be anti-trust suits against this sort of nonsense? I'd say yes. Optimizing a game and purposefully slowing it down for the competition are 2 different things.
 
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Physics hardware =! PhysX

We're talking about a bigger set of games, read the article for more info. It means games that don't have the "proper" middleware will cause GK104 to perform regularly (not very impressive if lower than OC'ed 6970/Pitcairn) with games that are patched however, the GK104 will perform as if it were on steroids. That's how you should read it.

I doubt Charlie would say this card would stomp the 7970 on every metric if the performance was exclusive to PhysX w/ GPU acceleration. PhysX increases the workload btw...
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Using your argument we can say AMD was innovative with the faildozer, with the 2 applications that it beats the 2700k in. Balls in your court.
I'd rather have a card faster across the board, not one that is fast in a physx game but suck at everything else.
Some innovations pay off and some don't, trial and error is what brought us to this point in civilization. Who knows, this could blow up in Nvidias' face. Your going to extremes saying the card will suck in games that don't have the special code for it. We all know you root for the so-called underdog. It would be nice if you at least tried to hide your "ism". biggrin.gif
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But it's not innovation it's using something to exploit the performance of a game or program. When these cards go for review and people see the performance in the few select games the cards take advantage of they will be fooled into thinking the card is superior when in fact in most games it's inferior.thumb.gif

We will all find out when the card is finally released. My guess is as good as yours when it comes to the GK104.
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Thats cute chazzy but we get 1 physx game per 8 months on average. So it will be fast in that 1 physx game but suck at everything else. rolleyes.gif
Thanks, but i'll pass if these rumors are true. What a joke. I thought Kepler would be good.
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Physics hardware =! PhysX
We're talking about a bigger set of games, read the article for more info. It means games that don't have the "proper" middleware will cause GK104 to perform regularly (not very impressive if lower than OC'ed 6970/Pitcairn) with games that are patched however, the GK104 will perform as if it were on steroids. That's how you should read it.
I doubt Charlie would say this card would stomp the 7970 on every metric if the performance was exclusive to PhysX w/ GPU acceleration. PhysX increases the workload btw...

I agree.
In light of physix not having much momentum at all, I can't see that Nvidia would be investing heavily into and delaying Kepler release in order to focus on something that only has extremely marginal benefit.
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It's official, Xoleras has a bad case of the "isms" biggrin.gif

"[SA] more kepler news, Kepler will be fast in PHSYX games, suck at everything else"

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1670379



Wow, how did you interpret this article that way???
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It's official, Xoleras has a bad case of the "isms" biggrin.gif
"[SA] more kepler news, Kepler will be fast in PHSYX games, suck at everything else"
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1670379
Wow, how did you interpret this article that way???

By supposedly being slower than 7800 series in non physx games (per the SA article). I got a little exited in making that topic, but really, how could anyone not be disappointed by this? 7800 level performance (which by the way will be slower than 6970 more than likely) and faster in physx games.. You tell me? Does that make you look forward to Kepler?

Extrapolating from prior generations, the 6870 is actually a lot slower than 5870. That means 7870 will be slower than 6970 (most likely). To me that is a disappointment. I never expected this. I expected that GK104 would be across the board pretty close to 7970.

The usual disclaimers, this is all rumors and i'm unsure of how the final product will be, etc.
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If it is able to TROUNCE a 7970 in at least a few games, for only $300?!?!=BIG WIN. thumb.gif

Not sure if the mid-range Kepler will be 20-30% faster than the current GTX 580. I doubt it will be. If Nvidia does that and charges $300 for it then they would have to drop their 580s to below $300 before releasing their new high-end GPUs.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

By supposedly being slower than 7800 series in non physx games (per the SA article). I got a little exited in making that topic, but really, how could anyone not be disappointed by this? 7800 level performance (which by the way will be slower than 6970 more than likely) and faster in physx games.. You tell me? Does that make you look forward to Kepler?
Extrapolating from prior generations, the 6870 is actually a lot slower than 5870. That means 7870 will be slower than 6970 (most likely). To me that is a disappointment. I never expected this. I expected that GK104 would be across the board pretty close to 7970.
The usual disclaimers, this is all rumors and i'm unsure of how the final product will be, etc.

Honest question, did you read the whole article?

If so, it's a bit of an awkward conclusion that you reached confused.gif
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