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So Im in the process of getting rid of a couple raptors, and Ill have some cash from that. I am deabting going for this water kit

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14183/ex-wat-182/XSPC_Rasa_750_RX360_Universal_CPU_Triple_Radiator_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_RX360_Radiator_and_Free_Kill_Coil.html?tl=g30c321s1310

...or just going with a crucial m4 256gb and putting all of my files on it. I have realized that the 60gb boot drive/1tb storage combo is great for most people, but I just don't utilize anywhere near 1tb of storage. In fact, with all of my spare files on my storage drive, plus my OS drive, I would still only have about 200gb of data (the 256 gb m4 has about 238gb of usable space) so Id have in the neighborhood of 40gb to spare. My gear is in the sig and is up to date so you can see what I'm working with.

Are there certain parts that should be improved over what that kit offers? Is that the "junior varsity" of water cooling or is it worthwhile? I haven't done water cooling so I'm not sure exactly what parts Id need to purchase standalone aside from using a kit. I'm using lightning extremes so all I would be cooling is the chip and maybe memory later on if I decide to do so. Help is appreciated.

What do you guys think?
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I love watercooling but I have to say a SSD is kick butt everyday all day.
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DISCLAIMER: I don't mean to rag on that water kit/ water cooling in general.

That kit is a great starting point, the components are set up as if it is a CPU only type loop but that much rad could easily cool 1 single gpu and a gpu without trouble. The pump concerns me, because i've never heard of it. Partially because I'm under educated as of right now and partially because most use the 655/355 it seems. Other than that the kit is certainly a great jumping off point for water cooling.

Though I do warn that water cooling is A MONEY SINK, once you start you will not want to stop. The performance in cooling is substantial but overall not entirely necessary unless you're trying to 24/7 run your processor at pretty huge speeds. Not to mention the fact that you will void "most" of your warranties. Which can be a real bummer in case something goes wrong with a component, not to mention any inherent risk when running water through tubes mere inches from your 1200 dollar computer. If done properly it certainly is safe, though what can go wrong, often will.

So that is why my two cents lie with that awesome 256gb solid state. The performance increase on that will be substantial, you'll keep it a while, and there's no inherent risk.

Good luck in your choice either way!
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What case are you running? I think you can get a better H20 setup by picking stuff out yourself at the retailers etc.. If you plan on watercooling only the CPU then a 240 to 320 rad would be fine.
I se you already have a Crucial M4 in your sig will this other 256gb m4 be added for a RAID 0 setup?
    
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Originally Posted by jcpiont23 View Post

DISCLAIMER: I don't mean to rag on that water kit/ water cooling in general.
That kit is a great starting point, the components are set up as if it is a CPU only type loop but that much rad could easily cool 1 single gpu and a gpu without trouble. The pump concerns me, because i've never heard of it. Partially because I'm under educated as of right now and partially because most use the 655/355 it seems. Other than that the kit is certainly a great jumping off point for water cooling.
Though I do warn that water cooling is A MONEY SINK, once you start you will not want to stop. The performance in cooling is substantial but overall not entirely necessary unless you're trying to 24/7 run your processor at pretty huge speeds. Not to mention the fact that you will void "most" of your warranties. Which can be a real bummer in case something goes wrong with a component, not to mention any inherent risk when running water through tubes mere inches from your 1200 dollar computer. If done properly it certainly is safe, though what can go wrong, often will.
So that is why my two cents lie with that awesome 256gb solid state. The performance increase on that will be substantial, you'll keep it a while, and there's no inherent risk.
Good luck in your choice either way!

Yea I have been a bit apprehensive about jumping right into water cooling, but it really does interest me a lot. I have been thinking of the "play-it-safe" option of an h100, but given I'm currently using an h50, I'm not sure the increase in cooling performance offered by the h100 will make me happy.
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What case are you running? I think you can get a better H20 setup by picking stuff out yourself at the retailers etc.. If you plan on watercooling only the CPU then a 240 to 320 rad would be fine.
I se you already have a Crucial M4 in your sig will this other 256gb m4 be added for a RAID 0 setup?

Running an 800D. No I would probably just keep the 64 gb m4 as a complete OS backup in case my other drives crap out. I like the piece of mind. I currently do that with one of the raptors I'm selling, but I realized that the 1 tb drive is kind unnecessary for me personally and I could actually have all storage and operating system files on one larger SSD and have improved performance accessing those storage files.
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So you currently run a 60gb ssd for OS, with a 1tb for other storage? My vote goes with the water cooling loop then. It's a solid kit, I'd swap the tubing for something better but the kit is a good price for what you get. The CPU block, radiator, fans, and fittings would run you the cost of the kit if you purchased them separately. The pump isn't amazing, some people have had poor luck with them dying, but it gets the job done and should be fine for a cpu-only or cpu + chipset combo. Don't bother cooling your ram, there's basically no benefit to it.

As for what you need to go with that kit, you just need some distilled water, a cheap gallon from the local grocery store is just fine. Tubing you can easily replace with anything 7/16" ID 5/8" OD, Primochill LRT is recommended a lot here and comes in a variety of colors.
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+1 for m4..
if you want to watercool ..check this out..http://www.overclock.net/t/406256/the-official-bong-lovers-club-56k-fail/0_20
 
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So you currently run a 60gb ssd for OS, with a 1tb for other storage? My vote goes with the water cooling loop then. It's a solid kit, I'd swap the tubing for something better but the kit is a good price for what you get. The CPU block, radiator, fans, and fittings would run you the cost of the kit if you purchased them separately. The pump isn't amazing, some people have had poor luck with them dying, but it gets the job done and should be fine for a cpu-only or cpu + chipset combo. Don't bother cooling your ram, there's basically no benefit to it.
As for what you need to go with that kit, you just need some distilled water, a cheap gallon from the local grocery store is just fine. Tubing you can easily replace with anything 7/16" ID 5/8" OD, Primochill LRT is recommended a lot here and comes in a variety of colors.

This. You really arent going to notice having all of your files stored on your SSD. It is nice to have applications stored on the ssd, but even that is negligible. With the 64GB SSD you currently have for OS and a few apps, plus your TB samsung drive, I would definately get the Rasa kit. The 360 is probably a bit of overkill, but the 800D has a perfect slot for it, and you will have room to expand to possibly a GPU loop later. The pump will be fine for a CPU only loop, but if you ever choose to go to a GPU loop too, you will probably want to upgrade the pump.
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Feel free to make corrections to this list as needed:

Pump/reservoir:
Really like the look of this one- EK D5 X-Res Top 140 Pump Top / Reservoir Combo
but its a tad pricey and I like this one too- Danger Den Monsoon "Premium" D5 / MCP655 Dual Bay Reservoir


CPU block (kind of clueless here, judging off of reviews first, looks second)
Heatkiller Rev 3.0 1155/1156 CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Nickel / Black

Radiator
Have an 800d so might as well usa all 360mm up top- Black Ice GT Stealth 360 X-Flow Radiator

And then I assume several feet of tubing plus some liquid on top of that. Id go for something non-conductive for piece of mind instead of plain water I think. As far as fittings go, not exactly sure how many and what type id need to make that all work together.

Also, I have a corsair hx750 which has worked just great for a cpu/ram o.c. plus two lightning xtreme 580's...but how many watts will a water pump suck up? At full load I reach the neighborhood of 680 watts, how much headroom do I have?
Edited by guitarmageddon88 - 2/1/12 at 3:22pm
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