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Except for corporations, schools and the like, almost anyone who still uses XP is a bum. You'd need a really good reason to have not upgraded.
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Yep, by the end of April, I will have replaced a large majority of our computers at work with new Windows 7 systems. I've gotten so used to Windows 7, it's getting harder for me to troubleshoot issues without trying to pull up a feature only available in Win 7. Seems a bit ridiculous, but when the past 3 years you've been working in Windows 7, there's just no going back.
I only know a few people that's still running XP, but that's because their either tight budgeted that they don't want to set aside money to get a new machine or they're picky because they don't want to switch, or some stupid reason like that. It's not like XP is gone. There's a reason why you can install a free virtual copy of XP in Win 7 Pro and Ultimate, cause there are just some programs or some ridiculous reason for that developer to not upgrade their coding.

Agreed. One thing that I REALLY miss when troubleshooting XP machines is Start Search (searching via My Computer is very slow and brings up a ton of crap results on top of being inconvenient)
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Im not surprised as said alot businesses and schools especially are either too lazy or just dont have the budget to upgrade to win7 even at home premium. Its about 120 per installation. Imagine a school that was going to upgrade its probably gonna have about 100 or so computers thats about $12,000 per school its a strain on the school boards. Plus alot of computers at my old highschool still have those horrible giant budget dell pcs. Running cs1.6 in softwaremode, and everything in low settings lags the thing. Let alone running a win 7 os.
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Except for corporations, schools and the like, almost anyone who still uses XP is a bum. You'd need a really good reason to have not upgraded.
Agreed. One thing that I REALLY miss when troubleshooting XP machines is Start Search (searching via My Computer is very slow and brings up a ton of crap results on top of being inconvenient)

Do you use it for things like quickly accessing the control panel, or device manager? thinking.gif

Because 'Run' (or search on Vista/7) will do the same thing - provided you know how to get there. Typing in devmgmt.msc will bring up the device manager on-the-fly. There's ton's of ways of getting to certain things:

desk.cpl
sysdm.cpl
inetcpl.cpl


(etc)

smile.gif Very few pieces of the control panel have changed since Windows 98 in their naming and still work when using newer systems up to Windows 7. It is my opinion anyone working on PC's in a repair or tech environment should know these by now. tongue.gif
    
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Damn, it needs to die already.
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I can't stand this OS.
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It's the dominant OS because most if not all of the businesses and schools in the world use XP, even the military has yet to fully move over to Windows 7.

A lot of schools are moving to Windows 7 now, all new computers in my area use it at least and the University here rolled it out school-wide last year. There's a few businesses and a lot of home users who only upgrade their PCs when necessary, and don't upgrade their OS.
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2000 assets on campus (corporate environment) are ALL still using Windows XP.
The only people using Windows 7, is us in the IT department.

All PCs on campus here are on Windows 7 64bit as of September 2011. Mind you, the IT department here is utter balls and managed to screw it up, not to mention their purchases of cheap HPs that have laptop HDDs is biting them in the rear with all the lag now.
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Really? thinking.gif Windows has changed so little from 95 up to 7 (at its basic core) that I don't know why troubleshooting XP is any different or harder than 7.

Wait, a 16bit/32bit hybrid OS based off DOS is the same as a purely 64bit or 32bit (Depending on version) kernel now?

WIndows has changed a lot from 95 to 98, from 98 to 2000, from XP to Vista. The other changes (2000 to XP, Vista to 7) have been minor but still.
It's like saying Linux v1, v2, v2.2, v2.4, v2.6 and v3 are all the same..Completely untrue. And this is the basic core.
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Wait, a 16bit/32bit hybrid OS based off DOS is the same as a purely 64bit or 32bit (Depending on version) kernel now?
WIndows has changed a lot from 95 to 98, from 98 to 2000, from XP to Vista. The other changes (2000 to XP, Vista to 7) have been minor but still.
It's like saying Linux v1, v2, v2.2, v2.4, v2.6 and v3 are all the same..Completely untrue. And this is the basic core.

Um, not sure what you're getting at. confused.gif

I'm not saying that there haven't been major overhauls in several aspects of the system. The kernels have changed and so have other important things. However, the initial format of Windows 95 to Windows 7 has not changed in typical usage pattern.

In example - the control panel, the start menu, the formatting, the layout, the system settings, literally much of the control panel, etc and so on. Very little in that respect - the part which people use knowingly (this is called ease-of-use) hasn't changed much.

That's why we're still using chkdsk from DOS. (Ok NTFS but still...)

That's why the 'Start' button hasn't moved.

That's why most settings for most things from Windows 95 to Windows 7 haven't changed.

Now, if you want to talk about the changes in NT, the kernel, and other various components of Windows that make it work but don't contribute visually to the user experience, I'm in your camp in that respect. But visually and from a user standpoint, especially one who may be advanced, Windows has not changed much at all since Windows 95.

Now, Windows 3.11 (and all the versions in between) to Windows 95 was majorly overhauled in favor of a simpler user experience instead of technically minded folk.

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XP4Lyfe. After going to 7, it's hard to go back to XP mainly it's not as pretty. Also the feature where you point a Firefox tab thing, it gives you a preview.
    
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Really? thinking.gif Windows has changed so little from 95 up to 7 (at its basic core) that I don't know why troubleshooting XP is any different or harder than 7.
What features of Windows 7 differ so much from XP that you think it's harder to work on XP? thinking.gif

Depends on the situation. If it's something simple, there's really nothing different, but something like installing devices, XP has no drivers for any new equipment, so you're required to go the manufacture's website to download the drivers, whereas in Win 7, it's just pulled off of Windows Update and ready to in a few seconds. One thing I really like about 7 (well it was in Vista too) is the Performance Information and Tools screen, giving me the ability to view all of the hardware details on one screen. It's not that easy to pull that info off of XP in a detail report like that.

The one thing that really bugs me is because we're on a domain, each person has their own login, where on XP, you have to log out of that user before you can log in under a different user, disrupting whatever they're doing, whereas in Win 7, I can switch users without disturbing anything they're doing on their account. Especially annoying when their computer locks and you can't do anything on XP without their password, so the only option is to log in using an admin account to log them out, shutting down whatever they were doing. Always afraid that I'm going to make them lose something that they were working on.


I feel the same way about my college's Mac systems. They're all running 10.5 Leopard so going from 10.7 to 10.5 is a bit backwards to me. Used to all of the fancy features in Lion, even though they're the same functions as before, they're just in a better way for my workflow. Also missing the whole under-the-hood upgrades that 10.6 Snow Leopard had so those things take forever to do anything. Exporting your final project, a basic 4-min 720p video, in Final Cut Pro 7: took about a 1/2 hour for that freaking thing to finish and it was only using roughly 40-70% of the CPU. Those iMacs are using Core 2 Duo E8435 3.06GHz processors with nVidia 8800 GS 512MB GPUs, so I'm expecting it to be a bit better than that. I just wished we had FCP X (even though I know it's not like what FCP7 used to be like, but I'd take the under-the-hood enhancements over anything else) but requires upgrading all of the systems (an Xserve and all iMacs in those classrooms) to 10.6.8 or Lion, something I see them not doing and just upgrading the entire system in the next year or 2.


I know some are hooked on XP, but they're also going to be screwed here in the next year when Microsoft starts dropping support, with it completely being dropped by them in 2014. That's one of the reasons why we're upgrading to 7. The other thing is that XP is becoming a virus/malware/spyware magnet due to hackers being too lazy to write code for newer OSs. I know that when I had XP, it seemed I was reinstalled it at least every 6 months because it became slow, unresponsive and troublesome. Ever since I've had Win 7, the only time I've had to reinstall it was when I was doing HDD and/or SSD swaps. I know my dad who've had Win 7 as long as I have, is only on his 2nd install, and that was because one of his RAID drives failed.
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Depends on the situation. If it's something simple, there's really nothing different, but something like installing devices, XP has no drivers for any new equipment, so you're required to go the manufacture's website to download the drivers, whereas in Win 7, it's just pulled off of Windows Update and ready to in a few seconds. One thing I really like about 7 (well it was in Vista too) is the Performance Information and Tools screen, giving me the ability to view all of the hardware details on one screen. It's not that easy to pull that info off of XP in a detail report like that.
The one thing that really bugs me is because we're on a domain, each person has their own login, where on XP, you have to log out of that user before you can log in under a different user, disrupting whatever they're doing, whereas in Win 7, I can switch users without disturbing anything they're doing on their account. Especially annoying when their computer locks and you can't do anything on XP without their password, so the only option is to log in using an admin account to log them out, shutting down whatever they were doing. Always afraid that I'm going to make them lose something that they were working on.

Definitely on the domain end you're spot on, but installing devices in XP (device depending) doesn't require all that much beyond what you may do in Windows 7. MS built up a library of device drivers (starting with XP) and consolidated some of them (similar in a way to what Linux does) to allow many simple devices (I/O, NB, SB, low-level devices) to just 'work' (big effort on behalf of WDM drivers). But then again the driver base from Windows Update rarely has the most current driver available (notable with Nvidia, AMD, etc), in which case I will find myself 9/10 times downloading the correct or updated version of a driver anyways. In XP, you also have very similarly updated available drivers for some devices. Granted the web-based incarnation of Windows Update (XP) holds no flame to Windows Vista / 7 updates, but essentially the same works for both (though obviously device dependent).

But let me ask you this, do you really think that the WEI represents a valid assessment of installed hardware? thinking.gif

I mean, essentially the information provided on the 'System' page (including access to WEI) is essentially the same thing reported in XP.
    
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