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don't be
it's been like this the past few generations
and why does it say stream processors?!
lol
690 is basically 2 670's?! (sorta) thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

This is nothing new - 690 is supposed to be 2x 768 CUDA cores; with the 680 being 1024 CUDA cores. Nvidia finally learned not to shove too many transistors into a dual-GPU card when they saw the 6990 tied up with the 590, the latter using 10% less transistors and a much lower TDP as a single-GPU, and perhaps more notably, is ~15-20% slower as a single-GPU. Basically, Nvidia almost certainly could've made a dual 570 graphics card with the same performance as a 590, given the proper R&D.

I'd say the main limiter for Nvidia's spaceheaters is 1. thermodynamics (heat transfer), and 2. supplying enough power to those beasts.
 
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post #92 of 144
I feel very confident this is made up and based off the current rumors. Some of it may pan out, but it looks like someones guess at how it will be. All the data does add up, as much as some will try to say it doesn't. Most of it has already been covered. The bus speed and memory amounts all work out right ,not sure why anyone was arguing that, it is simple math. Though the amounts are odd, going down with some of the higher models, they add up with the correct bud width. The dual GPU card is a mixture of the 680 and 670, just like some of their previous ones and all the information on it is technically possible, whether it is believable is another story.

As for them calling them "Stream Processors". That Is exactly what they ARE called. CUDA is just a marketing name for them. Both AMD and Nvidia use stream processors, only they use their own marketing mumbo jumbo to make it sound better. AMD didn't venture too far off the generic name as Nvidia did and called theirs "Streaming Processors". A quick google of CUDA or Stream Processors will explain it better, but there is no reason not to call the Cuda cores that, as that is what they are. I can't believe a good majority didn't seem to know that. I guess Nvidia's marketing team did a good job with that. CUDA is nothing special compared to AMD's implementation when it comes down to it, they both do pretty much the same thing. Nvidia has some minor advantages, the biggest being more software support. That is mostly AMD's fault for not pushing their AMD Stream or APP or whatever they are calling it now to the software devs. Not so much a hardware disadvantage with their SP's as software support. (there are some hardware advantages on NV's SP's, like full C+ support, or were up until the 7K series, they may have gained parity now)

Edit: I also have to laugh at one thing. All praises so far pretty much, hardly a peep about the alleged insane prices. Those same bashing AMD are now singing praises about these cards, that are significantly higher in price. But it's ok, now, it's Nvidia tongue.gif
Edited by Strat79 - 2/3/12 at 11:11pm
post #93 of 144
Why are you all arguing over stats. We should be arguing over % performance increases.

How much faster is the card going to be?

70% performance increase over GTX 580 is believable. The 580 is what the 480 should've been, so Nvidia has had 2 years since the drawing board.
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post #94 of 144
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Why are you all arguing over stats. We should be arguing over % performance increases.
How much faster is the card going to be?
70% performance increase over GTX 580 is believable. The 580 is what the 480 should've been, so Nvidia has had 2 years since the drawing board.

70% jump in a single generation from one node jump? Highly unlikely. If we see even a 50% jump in performance I will be extremely impressed. Most likely we are looking at around 30-40% improvement, which is very good.
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70% jump in a single generation from one node jump? Highly unlikely. If we see even a 50% jump in performance I will be extremely impressed. Most likely we are looking at around 30-40% improvement, which is very good.

AMD's 7970 is about 40% faster than a 6970, and if you factor in it's much higher OC headroom, perhaps 50%+ faster, with a slight die size reduction. I'd hope Nvidia can do better seeing how they're doubling the transistor count to 6B for the 680 (which is 33% more transistors than 7970). Of course there's the issue of Nvidia doing a 1:1 core-shader clock ratio this gen (power saving feature I suppose?). If Nvidia doesn't bring >50% gain after doubling the transistor count, they should just stop trying.
 
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70% jump in a single generation from one node jump? Highly unlikely. If we see even a 50% jump in performance I will be extremely impressed. Most likely we are looking at around 30-40% improvement, which is very good.

It has happened in the past more often than not. 7950GTX, 8800GTX, GTX 280, 4870, 5870, 1950XTX, all of these cards provided a generational gap over their predecessors.
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All I can say if its April before we see the 680 that's a major fail on Nvidia's part. Allowing there competition to not only break out first with 28nm but then take 3 months to introduce your version.
 
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All I can say if its April before we see the 680 that's a major fail on Nvidia's part. Allowing there competition to not only break out first with 28nm but then take 3 months to introduce your version.

I would have to agree.

Either way I will probably get a 680.
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70% jump in a single generation from one node jump? Highly unlikely. If we see even a 50% jump in performance I will be extremely impressed. Most likely we are looking at around 30-40% improvement, which is very good.

70% is very very likely. I'm hoping for big things from nvidia this time around.

Just on the gddr5 speeds alone, fermi isn't even scratching the surface of what speeds are attainable. What's slowing nvidia on that front is the pcb layout. The memory is capable. They just need the better designs.

The node jump could be thought of as 2 from 40 to 34 to 28.
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70% is very very likely. I'm hoping for big things from nvidia this time around.
Just on the gddr5 speeds alone, fermi isn't even scratching the surface of what speeds are attainable. What's slowing nvidia on that front is the pcb layout. The memory is capable. They just need the better designs.
The node jump could be thought of as 2 from 40 to 34 to 28.

Well it boils down to whether the specs are rumors or not is that Nvidia needs to come out swinging hard with this next version because AMD has their refresh 8000 series card planned for December. Six months later.

Nvidia doesn't have Maxwell planned until 2013. So Nvidia has to be able to compete right off the bat with AMD's next line or it will be a swing and a miss for Nvidia if they're not thinking ahead and looking at the big picture.

Let's say Nvidia comes out with a line that's 30% better than AMD's current. We've seen refresh 2nd gen cards get about a 15-25% bump in performance. Nvidia can stay on par with AMD's 8000 line and they won't have to focus with a refresh themselves until Maxwell. Hopefully will allow them time to focus on a launch that coincides with their competition when new fabrication chips come out.

AMD releasing their Southern Island three months before Nvidia even peeks out of the box is a huge advantage for AMD and boosting AMD sales easily. Great strategy, albeit at the cost of very immature drivers as we're finding out are the case, not being entirely ready themselves. Hardware yes, software not so much so.

In all it's good for us as consumers when we have AMD vs Nvidia competition for better pricing. Right now it's a one man show and premium prices IMO. biggrin.gif
     
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