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stop people, the fx4100 is fine for gaming. all i ever hear is 960t this 960t that. stop trying to change his mind and just help the guy.
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It's hard to build a decent rig cheap thru newegg, I'd say go for it. I'm leaning towards a fx 4100 build myself but they have them for $99 at microcenter with a free motherboard and I live 10 minutes away. The pentium sandy bridge dual cores do seem to do better at stock though but I'm sure you'll enjoy the 4100 and it's getting harder to find the phenom ii deals.
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stop people, the fx4100 is fine for gaming. all i ever hear is 960t this 960t that. stop trying to change his mind and just help the guy.
I totally agree with your state ment but the key word is FINE when we help people I don't give them FINE I give them the BEST. And yes FX's are great CPU's they aren't the best. You know?


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stop people, the fx4100 is fine for gaming. all i ever hear is 960t this 960t that. stop trying to change his mind and just help the guy.

we are trying to help the guy. That is why we are telling him 960T. It is a much better processor considering he is NOT going to overclock.
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There are better deals, this is hardly a reasonable price for the chosen components.  I already had this combo deal meet its match just a few weeks ago... let me find that post.....

 

EDIT: Here is that post! It's from a few weeks ago but did involve the same combo - Some prices may have changed since then but there are deals to replace those even at this moment.  The first combination I put together keeps the 400R to show that you can still get better choices for other parts while maintaining "better pricing".

Although I have beat the Supercombo with my own parts selection I also made a second suggestion in recognition of the fact that taking that 400R puts a redundant increase on cost that is counter-productive for a budget PC.  A well-balanced PC on a budget should put more emphasis on performance.

 

If you want to know more (i.e. get an updated version of this list with more recent pricing), ask me tomorrow.  Main case in point: that Supercombo hardly sells for a reasonable price (considering the choices-for-price can be beat) or is practical to the end-user. AVOID IT.

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EDIT: Forgot RAM, sorry

 

Total supercombo cost inclusive of shipping:
$531 + $33 shipping - $564 shipped, $554 after rebate

 

xd's combo:

 

Initial cost: $595.84 shipped [$32 over budget]

 

Cost after 1-2 weeks (after rebates, both have the option of no-wait rebate which speeds up processing time):

$551 shipped

Savings over supercombo after rebate price: $3

 

There are several possible ways that you could adjust the before rebate price to match or beat the Supercombo before rebate price but I decided to rely on an after-rebate price this time around so that quality parts can be chosen.  Because the rebates return in 1-2 weeks, both offering no wait service, I think it's tolerable.

 

Several advantages:

  • The GA-78LMT-S2P has a 4+1 phase VRM with more capacity
  • The Radeon HD 6870 is well ahead of the 6850
  • The OCZ ZS 550W is well ahead of the Corsair CX 500 V2 in supply capacity/quality

 

I don't actually recommend you buy the combo I put out above.  That is only meant to show that Supercombos are RIPOFFS and should be avoided at all costs.

 

A well balanced build for ~$580 shipped puts more emphasis on a good CPU and GPU and overclocking-friendly items (i.e. better board), while lowering the priority for things such as the computer case.

 

This is what I suggest for $580:

 

 

Initial cost: $594 shipped

Cost after 1-2 weeks (rebates): $549 shipped

 

By the way, both chips (960T, FX-4100) are fine for gaming.  It depends what you really want.

  • FX-4100 - competitive performance for price esp. when overclocked, with lower power consumption than Phenom II.
  • 960T - Extra multithreaded power to begin with (2-4 thread scaling is not linear on the FX-4100 due to arch design so the 960T provides better multicore power) plus opportunity for 6 core unlock.  However, 960T higher power consumption, lower OC ability and slightly below par single-thread performance when both are overclocked, observed from Cinebench results. To top it off, at this moment the 960T sells at a $25 premium on Newegg.  It's hard to compare.
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Hi people,

I also have one FX-4100 smile.gif + mobo-ASUS M5A78LM_LX_V2 + ram-KINGSTON 1600MHz blue, 520W PS, all covered in small nice microtower case ( http://www.modecom.eu/nice_2/mini/computer_cases/pc_cases_accesories/product/ ) and all I can say is, that it performs as a rocket!!! When I was deciding what CPU to buy, I found one link (below) , its called 50 CPU test in BF3. FX-4100 there performs as well as Phenom II 970 BE.. It helped to me to decide so I hope it helps to you as well. thumb.gif THE LINK: http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7986&pageid=8147
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Just did my new build with the FX 4100 and I am enjoying it. Just need to get my 6950 and I am good.
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Bah..reason you guys think fx4100 is OK is cuz you didn't have a 965BE that you took out to put that fx4100 in!
I ran an fx4100 for 2 days and couldn't stand it! Popped in my 2-yr old 965 black..whewww..things were MUCH
better.The 960T is a good notch better than a 965 black,too.Once again..I recommend the 960T Zosma!
as for the zosma's OC-ability ..click on my signature..mine runs stable @ 4.3 Ghz
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Bah..reason you guys think fx4100 is OK is cuz you didn't have a 965BE that you took out to put that fx4100 in!
I ran an fx4100 for 2 days and couldn't stand it! Popped in my 2-yr old 965 black..whewww..things were MUCH
better.The 960T is a good notch better than a 965 black,too.Once again..I recommend the 960T Zosma!
as for the zosma's OC-ability ..click on my signature..mine runs stable @ 4.3 Ghz

lol. I actually had a 1090T @4.2 GHZ/3.0GHZnb, a 955 @4.1/2.8, 550, 7750, 9550, 5400+, ect, ect, ect... I really only got the FX-4100 to test it, but I decided I like it. It's pretty sucky at stock though, worse than my Phenom 1s.

Zosma is a good deal, but they should have released it for retail a year ago. E0 stepping is great.

Can you do me a favor and run the built-in benchmark in AMD Overdrive with your Zosma @4core with your 24/7 OC? Be sure to use the latest AOD. I'm suspecting that it is coded to take advantage of new architecture.

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stop people, the fx4100 is fine for gaming. all i ever hear is 960t this 960t that. stop trying to change his mind and just help the guy.

By telling him what he wants to hear? That his choice is a good one? If that's the case, why bother posting at all.

You have to be willing to accept that a choice might not be the best -- hell, if he isn't going to overclock at all, almost anything will be decent enough.
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