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It begins again.

Haha, I don't think it ever ended for some of these guys.
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Hate is just a waste of energy. It doesn't change reality. redface.gif
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This. A lot of people fail to realize it is the chipsets fault for bottlenecking and NOT the cpu. The FX8120 cpu is more powerful than a 2500k in my tests.

Yep, in most integer workloads that use five or more threads and in most floating point workloads that utilize any of the newer instruction sets (AES, AVX, FMA4, CVT16, XOP, etc) the FX-8 falls between the 2500k and 2600k (and in FMA4, CVT16, and XOP the 8xxx completely dominates every last bit of competition). What's holding AMD back is the bad process, which results in current leaking, which results in high power consumption and low clock speeds; BD's cache sucking somewhat (needs more L1, also cache thrashing is a big issue but IIRC that can be improved with a better fab... correct me if I'm wrong); and finally the outdated socket and chipset which results in terrible memory and PCI-Express bandwidth. I really wish AMD would've gone to an entirely new socket with Bulldozer instead of milking the old AMx cow, especially considering that many if not most AM3 boards can't handle an AM3+ CPU. Perhaps they were caving in to board manufacturers who wanted to make cheap 760G AM3+ µATX boards? Whatever the reason, crappy idea and shame on them for sticking to it with Vishera. Steamroller better bring a new socket.
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Funny, a lot of people hate Intel and buy AMD because Intel switches sockets so often. Now it's, "AMD spends too much time on their sockets." At any rate, 990FX was a disappointment, and AMD is in desperate need of a real chipset.
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As long as they fix the power consumption and single thread performance in Vishera, I'll be happy. AMD just needs to make a product that has some very nice features that Intel doesnt/ wont have, such as a unique turbo core, very high and fun overclockability, and good power consumption. In short, they should just make it what bulldozer should have been. Then, when steamroller arrives, they can add an awesome GPU and more IPC. thumb.gif

why?
it would still be slow vs any intel offering
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It begins again.

since the slide say 25% increase over bulldozer for piledriver.
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Haha, I don't think it ever ended for some of these guys.

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Funny, a lot of people hate Intel and buy AMD because Intel switches sockets so often. Now it's, "AMD spends too much time on their sockets." At any rate, 990FX was a disappointment, and AMD is in desperate need of a real chipset.

the FM1 socket replaces the HT with a Pci-express link doesn't make a difference at all.

trinity will be probably will be disappointing it will only be 10% higher then phenom II and LLano
    
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Funny, a lot of people hate Intel and buy AMD because Intel switches sockets so often. Now it's, "AMD spends too much time on their sockets." At any rate, 990FX was a disappointment, and AMD is in desperate need of a real chipset.

There's nothing wrong with changing sockets if it brings a significant performance improvement. Sometimes Intel does it for, apparently, no reason at all (ie 1156 & 1155).
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AMD would probably do well to not handicap themselves by having to build in backwards compatibility for old sockets.
    
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APU and integrated is the future. We traveled such a big circle only to be back where we started. I still remember the days when people were whining and crying about integrated systems and now it's all the rage. Guess some things are ahead of it's time.
 
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APU and integrated is the future. We traveled such a big circle only to be back where we started. I still remember the days when people were whining and crying about integrated systems and now it's all the rage. Guess some things are ahead of it's time.

Hey man, a REAL FPU is on a separate package.
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IPC is not going to increase with piledriver unless cache thrashing and latency issues are improved/solved. If they can clock it to 6GHz on water I'll be happy with IPS but that's probably not happening. 10 cores would be good for rendering, encoding, and server-ish applications

The cache is the main limitation and the node improving in quality will let that be fixed as well as optimising the design.
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Amd does not care about gamers anymore? They gonna lose lots of customers

PC gamers are less than 10% of the total PC market, easily. What they lose in that is more than made up if they get significant space in the laptop or tablet market.
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There's nothing wrong with changing sockets if it brings a significant performance improvement. Sometimes Intel does it for, apparently, no reason at all (ie 1156 & 1155).

There was a reason, 1156 didn't have enough electrical contacts and the actual use of the various pins is changed dramatically.
    
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