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It was announced awhile ago that Trinity will be FM2.
Oh darn, apparently I never got the memo. frown.gif
 
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Prices are more likely to go down with this news than anything.

I agree, even tho they will control a majority of the market. Doesn't mean they will hold the leverage to price their products ridiculously. AMD will still be producing desktop processors if this is true. So there will always be a plan B if Intel decides to go crazy with their prices, which is enough imo to leverage them to keep them at least reasonable. Who knows its a in and out market it seems like lately, AMD could redeem itself sometime down the road. But for now Sandy/Ivy Bridge is hitting AMD hard.
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I agree, even tho they will control a majority of the market. Doesn't mean they will hold the leverage to price their products ridiculously. AMD will still be producing desktop processors if this is true. So there will always be a plan B if Intel decides to go crazy with their prices, which is enough imo to leverage them to keep them at least reasonable. Who knows its a in and out market it seems like lately, AMD could redeem itself sometime down the road. But for now Sandy/Ivy Bridge is hitting AMD hard.

...and AMD hitting Intel with price smile.gif
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I don't understand why anyone is excited fro APU's in laptops and such. I wouldn't buy a laptop that didn't have a dedicated GPU. Laptop CPU's are weak as it is without adding the graphics processing to it's list of things to do.

Now for truly mobile devices such as tablets and phones the benefit is slap-you-in-the-face obvious, but a laptop is a portable desktop (to me) and I couldn't bare with a system that has it all built into one chip. I just don't see it working.

Ergo, why were people saying their next laptop is going to have an AMD APU in it? Just because of this? I'll surely keep my eyes peeled for performance in the future, but for me my next laptop should have dedicated components
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The prices already went up...but the stalled innovation part is subjective. To me we already have the signs that Intel has since they're releasing crippled 2600ks as a new product with the same TDP for (IIRC) near the same price. It's sad because they already have a CPU similar to the 2600k without a GPU in it that has a lower TDP and price called the E3-2130. But do I think they'll become completely unreasonable...doubtful. I think people would hold onto CPUs much longer then and Intel would have problems then.

What do you mean the prices went up? If you think about it the prices never really change i7 9xx (excluding 6 cores) around $300, i5/7 2x00K respecively at $2/300, i5/7 3xxx around $300.

And the SB E3-12xx series are server processors.
     
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I don't understand why anyone is excited fro APU's in laptops and such. I wouldn't buy a laptop that didn't have a dedicated GPU. Laptop CPU's are weak as it is without adding the graphics processing to it's list of things to do.
Now for truly mobile devices such as tablets and phones the benefit is slap-you-in-the-face obvious, but a laptop is a portable desktop (to me) and I couldn't bare with a system that has it all built into one chip. I just don't see it working.
Ergo, why were people saying their next laptop is going to have an AMD APU in it? Just because of this? I'll surely keep my eyes peeled for performance in the future, but for me my next laptop should have dedicated components

Because the GPU inside of Trinity and Llano are discrete-class. Why spend a bunch of extra money on a discrete GPU when you've already got one that's just as powerful?

Not, it's not like a GTX 580m or 6990m, but the performance is still pretty damn good and you don't have to pay any extra for it.

You can game on Llano and Trinity without having to pay a dime for acceptable performance. How do you not see that as a win?
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post #67 of 107
i7 920 @3.5/3.9 vs i7-3770K@3.5/3.9

3.5 years time performance difference - 30%?
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i7 920 @3.5/3.9 vs i7-3770K@3.5/3.9
3.5 years time performance difference - 30%?

CPU's aren't GPU's.

Performance doesn't double between every generation, or even 50%.

It's on average 10-15%.

If it was 50%, well, we'd be able to run a PS3 emulator by now. tongue.gif
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So would it be viable to assume FX is the last line of desktop CPU's from AMD? Maybe just some new models like FX-8170 w/ just a higher clock in the future?
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What do you mean the prices went up? If you think about it the prices never really change i7 9xx (excluding 6 cores) around $300, i5/7 2x00K respecively at $2/300, i5/7 3xxx around $300.
And the SB E3-12xx series are server processors.

i5-2500k before BD was around the 180-190s..after it went to 220-230. i7-2600k before was the 280s-290s...after 320s. Of course that factors in an increased/assumed increase in demand but still there is at least some internal price increase to raise margins there. The best example of the negative effects BD had on the market is the 2550k....100MHz clock increase and loss of internal GPU for a higher price than the 2500k(recommended by Intel from Ark)? Why? No competition.

The E3-12xxs maybe "server" but they're not true server like the others (massive core count and cache sizes) even if they have the added on VT-X or whatever; the differences are much smaller between them and the main consumer line. It's pretty obvious that if Intel was forced to they could have released the i7-2600k at around 230-250 and still made a profit. Why would I expect the old gen i series prices to go down? They would have to have focused efforts on improving the production of those chips in some manner to warrant the price reduce more than simply cutting into the profit margins (the first gen were more expensive to make IIRC) then which would have sidetracked their current gen which was what they thought BD would threaten.
     
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