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For $600~ you could get an Alienware Gaming Laptop with a GT 540 M. Or for bang on £600 you can get: http://www.ebuyer.com/340626-acer-aspire-5750g-laptop-lx-rmu02-194 <- That laptop is going to be better than any APU or IGP laptop. Hands down.

Me? I'd tell people to get the Intel system with a dedicated card thumb.gif Intel have better performing CPU's. I feel the trade off in CPU performance for the A4 isn't worth it and that's exactly what I'd tell my buddies if they asked me to build them a system. For £200-£250 I'd built an Intel i3-2100(£100), H67 motherboard (£50) and something in the range of a 440GT or a GTX460 (£50~£100) and that system would perform better than the A4 APU system. I just literally wouldn't do it any other way and I certainly wouldn't tell them about something inferior, yet cheaper because they're my buddies and I look after them (like wrestling my friend away from the "Order" button as he was about to buy a new PC last month. Everything was great except he was going to pay £200 for two HDD... I couldn't let him do it. I loaned him a drive until the prices normalised!... That was an AMD system, btw wink.gif I use Intel. I'd never try to push my own personal preference in there.. only performance). Anyway, for £500 that PC would be complete with PSU (Coolermaster 550W) any random case for around £50, HDD, £50 (or less,if they don't want a bigger one).

Anyway, the AMD APU's look good and do well in GPU performance. They'd be great for Office desktops or Internet cafés down to the cost (super cheap) but no-way in hell do I want this kind of stuff to proliferate into the Laptop and serious Desktop markets. Companies have the thing about dropping everything else in order to line themselves up with a fad. I'd hate to see a performance line of desktops with only actually one or two decent desktops because some fad like this got into the marketing teams head and now they all of a sudden thing everyone wants this.

AMD are clearly gearing this towards tablets and, hopefully, mobile phones and this is exactly the right place for this technology. I'm currently yearning for a Tegra 3 device, tablet, phone, whatever, I don't care. I just want one. I'm tired of the rubbish Qualcomm crap they're putting into phones and tablets these days. If AMD released something like this for tablets or phones it's sure to blow Nvidia's Tegra to pieces and given that AMD spin their own silicon and won't need to licence CPU's from ARM...
Edited by Rubers - 2/5/12 at 12:04pm
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"AMD will focus less on desktop CPUs, more on mobile APUs"

Lemme translate this for ya:

"AMD runs for the tall grass after being completely and utterly dominated by Intel in desktop CPU's"
post #93 of 107
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

I see you're confused... so I'll explain it to you because you may be young and lacking in Biz and economics knowledge.
First of all the laws of supply and demand work. If Intel's sales drop so do their prices. If AMD didn't exist you'd be paying $999 for a Pentium 90 CPU so you had better be thankful for AMD no matter what brand you buy.
Secondly AMD's products are not "crap". AMD's products are as good as Intels. If all you do is run benchmarks then Intel will show you higher benchmarks. If you actually use your PC to play games or work, then an AMD CPU will deliver excellent results. Will it be quite as fast as Intel's top-of-the-line CPU, no it won't but you'd never even noticed the difference in anything but benchmarks.
This BLIND test is a perfect example that AMD products deliver an excellent user experience compared to Intel. The facts don't lie but people all caught up in ad hype and distorted claims are easily duped and that's exactly what Intel is counting on for sales.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1204943/fud-amd-pulls-blind-test-at-recent-show
Thirdly if you have a moral compass I don't see how anyone can support a convicted criminal. If you can and do that's your choice. Many people make bad choices in life and it usually comes back to bite them. People are free to buy whatever makes them happy but you might want to think about the results of your actions and if you want a choice in the future when it comes to purchasing CPUs. The reason the EU fined Intel billions is because they are hurting consumers and AMD with their chronic violations of law.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120866/intel-antitrust-claims-dismissed

Oh my.

For someone with "Biz and economic skills" you don't know anything about social skills nor anything about the politics of the stuff you talk about!

Firstly, you're right AMD CPU's aren't "crap". But that's just some guy's opinion. Social skills, there, because I was correctly able to pick that up and then continue my reading.

Secondly, AMD CPU's are not as good as Intel's. There are countless benchmarks and performance reviews many on this site alone that show this. AMD make inferior CPU's that perform worse than Intel CPU's in like for like and clock for clock tests. You are delusional if you think anything different.

(EDIT: Honourable mention that the FX line does EXCEEDINGLY well in media related benchmarks and tests, encoding and such, and outperform the SB CPU's by times 2, from what I've seen. But then you'd expect as much with twice the physical cores. This doesn't explain the lack in games frown.gif)

Thirdly, won't notice any difference unless you're benchmarking? Wrong. You'd notice the difference in your games. If I dropped an AMD FX 8150 into my system right now I'd see a difference in my games.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150-processor-review/19

If I dropped that CPU into my rig I'd lose 30FPS on FarCry 2, if I clocked the crap out of it I'd still only gain 4FPS.

Anyway, enough, my point here is not to post benchmarks and point out the failings of Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge. My point there is you WOULD notice a difference in performance and to say you wouldn't is just deceiving people. I hope no-one ever comes to you for computer advice.

Lastly, the EU fined Intel for anti-trust practiced that happened in 2000-5, they were fined around 2009, they stopped all malpractice in 2005. AMD even agreed on this. So for the last 7 years Intel has been playing ball. Your point is utterly moot and ANYONE who buys their CPU based on that is, again, delusional. You'd have to be pretty much living in your own head in order to make decisions like that and think they're a good thing. Intel make leaps in technology(as do, of course, AMD) and to ignore them based on something that had absolutely ZERO affect on you is just absurd and it's getting very old and very tired reading these same ad nausea posts about all the mean bad things Intel did to AMD.
Edited by Rubers - 2/5/12 at 12:06pm
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post #94 of 107
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

I see you're confused... so I'll explain it to you because you may be young and lacking in Biz and economics knowledge.
First of all the laws of supply and demand work. If Intel's sales drop so do their prices. If AMD didn't exist you'd be paying $999 for a Pentium 90 CPU so you had better be thankful for AMD no matter what brand you buy.
Secondly AMD's products are not "crap". AMD's products are as good as Intels. If all you do is run benchmarks then Intel will show you higher benchmarks. If you actually use your PC to play games or work, then an AMD CPU will deliver excellent results. Will it be quite as fast as Intel's top-of-the-line CPU, no it won't but you'd never even noticed the difference in anything but benchmarks.
This BLIND test is a perfect example that AMD products deliver an excellent user experience compared to Intel. The facts don't lie but people all caught up in ad hype and distorted claims are easily duped and that's exactly what Intel is counting on for sales.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1204943/fud-amd-pulls-blind-test-at-recent-show
Thirdly if you have a moral compass I don't see how anyone can support a convicted criminal. If you can and do that's your choice. Many people make bad choices in life and it usually comes back to bite them. People are free to buy whatever makes them happy but you might want to think about the results of your actions and if you want a choice in the future when it comes to purchasing CPUs. The reason the EU fined Intel billions is because they are hurting consumers and AMD with their chronic violations of law.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120866/intel-antitrust-claims-dismissed

Don't even try to lecture me on business. You're incapable of grasping that even if every active member here at OCN stopped purchasing Intel products, it wouldn't even put a noticeable dip in their sales. Why vote with your wallet if your vote won't mean anything? This isn't like a whole community boycotting the only grocery store in town. Trying to rally people and get them to stop buying Intel is a waste of time.

The "oh, you can't notice it" argument, is weak and pathetic. Every second that I shave off load times with an Intel processor adds up. Just because I don't sit next to my computer with a timer in hand doesn't mean that there isn't a difference. There are plenty of third party reviews proving that Intel is far ahead of AMD right now in terms of x86 performance, and that's all I need to make an informed decision. Also, you act as if benchmarks have absolutely no representation of real-world performance, which is just absurd given your membership to this site.

The "moral compass" bullcrap doesn't work when you don't have a voice. If I stopped buying Intel products, where would that get me? Would they cease to exist? No. The only thing that could take Intel down is litigation.

In the tech world, I strongly align myself with progression. Intel is at the head of innovation. They are out there making our lives better. They're providing faster products at lower power usage levels, and they're churning these innovations out faster than just about everyone else. Sure, some of the stuff they do is illegal, but we don't live in a perfect world. AMD isn't perfect either, pal. If I was to never buy a product from an immoral company again, I might as well pack up and move to the middle of the wilderness and survive off the land.

No, AMD's products aren't garbage in a sense that they're worthless, but AMD spent a bunch of money on R&D to go backwards. In the tech world, releasing products that are worse than your old ones is pretty much synonymous with releasing garbage, because the entire point of the industry is to move forward. Stop getting caught up in the literal meanings of words; you'll just look like a fool.

For the record, it's only Bulldozer I have an issue with. They're beating Nvidia right now in the graphics market, I plan on buying a Trinity-powered notebook this summer, and I've expressed sentiments in the past for being pro-AMD in regards to their 6000 series vs. Nvidia's 500 series. AMD simply had the better architecture: they were selling smaller dies for more money, produced less heat and consumed less power, etc.
Edited by Homeles - 2/5/12 at 12:23pm
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Don't even try to lecture me on business. You're incapable of grasping that even if every active member here at OCN stopped purchasing Intel products, it wouldn't even put a noticeable dip in their sales. Why vote with your wallet if your vote won't mean anything? This isn't like a whole community boycotting the only grocery store in town. Trying to rally people and get them to stop buying Intel is a waste of time.
The "oh, you can't notice it" argument, is weak and pathetic. Every second that I shave off load times with an Intel processor adds up. Just because I don't sit next to my computer with a timer in hand doesn't mean that there isn't a difference. There are plenty of third party reviews proving that Intel is far ahead of AMD right now in terms of x86 performance, and that's all I need to make an informed decision. Also, you act as if benchmarks have absolutely no representation of real-world performance, which is just absurd given your membership to this site.
The "moral compass" bullcrap doesn't work when you don't have a voice. If I stopped buying Intel products, where would that get me? Would they cease to exist? No. The only thing that could take Intel down is litigation.
In the tech world, I strongly align myself with progression. Intel is at the head of innovation. They are out there making our lives better. They're providing faster products at lower power usage levels, and they're churning these innovations out faster than just about everyone else. Sure, some of the stuff they do is illegal, but we don't live in a perfect world. AMD isn't perfect either, pal. If I was to never buy a product from an immoral company again, I might as well pack up and move to the middle of the wilderness and survive off the land.

Oh wow check that out. A year after AMD complained about Intel's bullying of OEM's they were caught with their pants down fixing prices!!

but, but wait! My god, AMD are SUPPOSED TO BE FOR GAMERS! How can this be true if they were caught intentionally keeping prices high? If AMD were for gamers and a totally morally sound company akin to Jesus then they most certainly wouldn't fix pricesand scam gamers out of money, right? RIGHT?!

Well that's just buggered it, hasn't it? AMD4ME will not have to see if there are any old VIA CPU's still around or hope ARM releasea desktop chip, like, SOON, because he can't buy from morally bankrupt companies.




Oh and just one more thing. This is a big thing and it bothered me, but Anti-trust cases and all the like are civil and not criminal cases. Intel are not criminals for Anti-trust practices. They're anti-competitive. I believe there isn't a case of criminal convictions being brought forward from anti-trust. It's possible, but unlikely to happen.
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To the OP: I'd have to agree with their decision.. even though I thoroughly enjoy desktops and have been doing custom builds for 20+ years the desktop thing might become the next "VCR" within the next 5-10 years.
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The desktop market is shrinking....
ARM + partners are Intel's biggest competition now. thumb.gif

The desktop market is NOT shrinking...single digit growth YoY growth projected through to 2012.

As for AMD, they have already started to "focus" on the mobile and ultra mobile platforms for a few years now.
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The desktop market is NOT shrinking...single digit growth YoY growth projected through to 2012.
As for AMD, they have already started to "focus" on the mobile and ultra mobile platforms for a few years now.

Excuse me? The desktop market has gone to crap over the past year especially in the US, only in China are new PC desktop sales not completely bleak. Consumers want mobile/ultra small form factor products, thats just reality. Desktop sales are down, notebook sales are up by 20%+.

Even at retail, electronic giants like best buy have far fewer desktops than they did a few years ago, but rows upon rows of laptops. People like small and mobile.
Edited by xoleras - 2/5/12 at 1:04pm
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The desktop market is NOT shrinking...single digit growth YoY growth projected through to 2012.
As for AMD, they have already started to "focus" on the mobile and ultra mobile platforms for a few years now.

Depends on your source I guess...if you look at shipments from prebuilts, the number of new PCs have been shrinking. There has been evidence that more people are building their own machine these days, but not millions more.

All the while tablets have been increasing dramatically. So it doesn't take much guess work to figure out that it is a growing market.

My guess? The PC will likely shrink a little, but then people will realize they need a PC around to get the full experience out of their tablet and get one causing it to grow again and fall back into stagnation again. Tablets still have a ways to go before they will completely wipe out the standard home PC (read non-enthusiast)
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It is not about whether or not Intel is plenty or not. The problem is that without a real competitor anymore, Intel has full control over pricing. I hope this does not mean mark up on prices or stalled innovation on Intel's part.

There has been stalled innovation for years....Designed obsolescence... Games are limited by consoles, why "jump" ahead?


Why make something that will get you no business for months? design something just a little bit better, and make people keep coming back. Not saying i like this theory, just saying that's how it is.
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