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Ultrabooks have a super-thin profile similar to Macbook Airs, notebooks tend to be a lot thicker and hotter. Below is an Asus Ultrabook.

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I agree that the CPU performance isn't as big a factor for most people, especially when Ultrabooks/Notebooks are mostly used to do Office applications, Youtube, and Facebook. It may matter to the mobile gamers, but then again AMD's APUs will bring them better gaming performance than SB/IB. I also doubt that people doing real work (AutoCAD, rendering, Photoshop, etc) would be doing that on an Ultrabook, unless it's just for a quick edit or something.
    
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before i used to think this was a good idea. now i get the feeling they're trying to cover up their comparatively poor CPU performance with better graphics...
hopefully they don't transition this to the desktop end, but then again...

It doesn't matter that much with ultra books, to be honest. Performance per watt and a great visual computing experience is what its all about.

true - i don't deny this. BUT, look at Atom. the 1st gen CPU's are slow enough that it impacts practical use for certain situations (photoshop, HD video decoding) etc - tasks that the fastest GPU in the world cannot help. i realise things have progressed since my Toshiba N250, but still - it does beg the question - is the CPU performance enough to get by?

after all, a faster CPU can perform its task and downclock faster, than a slow CPU consuming less power overall but taking longer to complete the task.

more than 1 way to skin a cat. those saying this is going to help gaming - well, is that not then the same thing i'm saying? why would you be gaming on an ultrabook class laptop?
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post #23 of 41
It's going to minimally have a 1.0ghz quad-core, though 1.4ghz + turbo is more realistic. Not a slow CPU for a netbook by any measure. Look at how successful E-350 netbooks are. Now take that, double the cores, add turbo, and Llano 6520G to 6620G graphics. Winning.

Also, the Alienware M11x sold pretty well, that's an 11.6" gaming laptop. Of course it weighs more like a 13" laptop but that's besides the point. There's a market for anything.
 
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The mobile market is where it's at. smile.gif Of course a budget PC gaming CPU doesn't hurt.
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I dont know about you guys but there's nothing quite like sitting down to a hardcore bf3 gamng session on a 17w ultrabook... rolleyes.gif

And there's nothing like running a massive Excel benchmark on my 17w Ultrabook either.

There's plenty of other uses for a fast GPU, or there will be in the next few years. GPGPU is the future, one of these chips (And the CULV IB chips, assuming the Intel IGP can handle GPGPU tasks other than QuickSync) will last anyone, even the average OCNer, at least 5 years.
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The thing today is that the CPU is completely overpowered. Graphics is the next frontier until CPU needs rise. AMD provides an inexpensive package that provides a more than adequate CPU and a GPU on that package that isn't even in the same league as its competition. My point being, AMD will win the hell out of mobile.

Exactly.
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true - i don't deny this. BUT, look at Atom. the 1st gen CPU's are slow enough that it impacts practical use for certain situations (photoshop, HD video decoding) etc - tasks that the fastest GPU in the world cannot help. i realise things have progressed since my Toshiba N250, but still - it does beg the question - is the CPU performance enough to get by?
after all, a faster CPU can perform its task and downclock faster, than a slow CPU consuming less power overall but taking longer to complete the task.
more than 1 way to skin a cat. those saying this is going to help gaming - well, is that not then the same thing i'm saying? why would you be gaming on an ultrabook class laptop?

The Atom was slow enough to lag Firefox, etc in XP for me..That's too slow. But Photoshop, really? On an ultrabook, that'd be very enthusiast, nearly no normal person would touch it. And your average enthusiast would have a faster CPU in their desktop anyway. And it's not like on mobile where even basic tasks can eat up a lot of CPU time, if it browses the web, watches movies and plays facebook games fine, it will be great for the average consumer, all that matters then is getting it in the lowest power envelope possible. Seriously, one of these with an SSD would be perfect for web browsing.
The best bit about the graphics is they can game if you really want to.
    
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The term "Macbook Air" was used to describe Macbook Airs. Intel actually trademarked the term "Ultrabook", and they have specific criteria as to what can be labeled an Ultrabook. Now, they did come up with this to describe laptops that had similar form-factor to the Macbook Air.. but really what are you getting at?

It was a joke... wink.gif
    
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AMD already failed hard in CPUs but they are very good in APUs and better than Intel. They already said they gonna focus more in mobile APUs and only this can save them.
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For the average stuff you'd do with an Ultrabook, even an Athlon64 or Core 2 Duo is more than fast enough, let alone Phenom II or Bulldozer. There's an argument for CPU performance on the desktop still (Eg. CAD use, multiple fast graphics cards, video encoding, etc) but for an Ultrabook? Why would you do that on one? Anyone who says otherwise is just pulling straws for reasons to hate on AMD.

I disagree. I have a friend who has the 2010 MBA (Macbook Air) with a Core 2 Duo and a Samsung SSD, and I have the 2011 model with the Intel SB ULV and a very smiliar Samsung SSD. Everything in the computers is affected by the CPU difference. Mine boots faster, loads pages faster, opens applications and files faster, encodes music and videos to iPod much faster, is quicker at installing, updating and etc. All things that are very commonly done by your everyday user.

Those saying that CPU peformance doesn't matter in everyday applications are in denial. Maybe with an HHD the differences are not seen so clearly, but with an SSD, they are very very easily seen.

At this time, GPU performance will only interest gamers, and while Trinity will be excellent for that, its uses as a consumer laptop will be low as heavy gaming on PC (let alone an ultraportable laptop) is pretty far from the desirable mainstream consumer market. And let's face it for light gaming, the Intel SB and IB ULV handle things just well.
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Awesome. Mobile gaming. I love it. At this level of performance, someone should have no problem playing nearly all of the modern games on low. Can you imagine Crysis on a nettop? Kick *butt*. thumb.gif
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I disagree. I have a friend who has the 2010 MBA (Macbook Air) with a Core 2 Duo and a Samsung SSD, and I have the 2011 model with the Intel SB ULV and a very smiliar Samsung SSD. Everything in the computers is affected by the CPU difference. Mine boots faster, loads pages faster, opens applications and files faster, encodes music and videos to iPod much faster, is quicker at installing, updating and etc. All things that are very commonly done by your everyday user.
Those saying that CPU peformance doesn't matter in everyday applications are in denial. Maybe with an HHD the differences are not seen so clearly, but with an SSD, they are very very easily seen.
At this time, GPU performance will only interest gamers, and while Trinity will be excellent for that, its uses as a consumer laptop will be low as heavy gaming on PC (let alone an ultraportable laptop) is pretty far from the desirable mainstream consumer market. And let's face it for light gaming, the Intel SB and IB ULV handle things just well.

If you and your friend with the MBA are playing a game, and yours with the intel chip is choppy while his is smooth, does it matter who has the better CPU performance? The projected relative performance of trinity looks great. For the person who is willing to forgo some CPU performance for some graphics performance, I think trinity might be the better choice.
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