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post #11 of 100
The blade master would be better CFM and static pressure, but they are also louder....

The noctua range use a bearing called an sso (Self Stabilising Oil pressure ), which is basically a tricked out sleeve bearing.
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Nothing is different on the P12 and P14 except the PCB and the accessories. The PCB is PWM -- a non-clicking PWM. The accessories are superb.

 

I am a big fan of GT's and KM2's, but I don't see them available as PWM fans.

 

Bearings are SSO, proprietary to Noctua. They're like FDB's but perhaps better. Anyway, Tator Tot says FDB's outlast ball bearing fans. Certainly you don't get the bearing race sounds, which younger users can clearly hear.

 

You may be disappointed with these fans, but on a D14 they are hard to beat.

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I was just wondering if they would be good on a rad. I know it wouldn't be as good but at least they would quiet

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The F12 was designed for rads.

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Noctua may have said not to expect more airflow, but they certainly are claiming better cooling on their coolers. At CES they had images comparing its thermal performance to the NP-12, with the NF-F12 mounted on an NH-U12P for comparison. This fan was made for air coolers, Noctua's in particular.

Noctua will certainly point out its effectiveness on WC rads; a customer is a customer, but air cooling is Noctua's business. They designed them for Noctua's air coolers, and of course as an aftermarket fan for competitor's products.

Presuming it performs as claimed, its value as a case fan is understated. A fan that can produce a tight, far-throwing current of air with minimal noise is good for more than pushing through aluminum fins. There may be a lot of case's front intake slots with that fan's name on it.

When placed as a puller with its keystone technology half gone to waste, it's not going to do much more with the NP-14 at its back as the NP-12 did. If we're going to see what this fan can (or can't) do, it's going to pushing air, or better yet, pulling in synergy with another F12 behind it, as well as transporting air to components from distant intakes. just imo.
    
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Sounds awfully similar to the Silverstone Air Penetrator series...

I want to like these fans. I really do. I like supporting companies that have treated me right and I have several Noctua products to prove it. If I have a few extra bucks when the taxman is done then I'll pick up a couple to compare to my GTs and Noiseblockers. I'm especially interested in seeing if the Sunbeam PWM fan controller can really make the and non-PWM Multiframes sing, which would (for me) negate the potential value of the new Noctua fans.
    
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Sounds awfully similar to the Silverstone Air Penetrator series...

I want to like these fans. I really do. I like supporting companies that have treated me right and I have several Noctua products to prove it. If I have a few extra bucks when the taxman is done then I'll pick up a couple to compare to my GTs and Noiseblockers. I'm especially interested in seeing if the Sunbeam PWM fan controller can really make the and non-PWM Multiframes sing, which would (for me) negate the potential value of the new Noctua fans.



Look at the price of that controller, and the price of fans. For someone without money in existing fans, a controller is no longer necessary, at least for this cooler.

 

The Air Penetrator is a nice idea. This is a different take on the same concept. Prior to the Air Penetrators, you could find house fans with the same thin stator pattern. Also, fan manufacturers have made industrial fans with 7 - 13 stators for use in various devices that need cooling. Where Noctua has done something novel is in setting the stators at irregular intervals, breaking up the tonal quality of the fan sound. The F12 is also the first 25mm fan I have seen with half-thickness stators.

 

It really is an innovation.

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Sounds awfully similar to the Silverstone Air Penetrator series...
I want to like these fans. I really do. I like supporting companies that have treated me right and I have several Noctua products to prove it. If I have a few extra bucks when the taxman is done then I'll pick up a couple to compare to my GTs and Noiseblockers. I'm especially interested in seeing if the Sunbeam PWM fan controller can really make the and non-PWM Multiframes sing, which would (for me) negate the potential value of the new Noctua fans.

I have the Sunbeam. I'm not totally clear on this, but I don't think it provides a true PWM control of the fans, it just uses the information from the PWM signal and attempts to emulate it by linear voltage limiting (as opposed to the more power efficient pulse width modulation). It's not too shabby, but the fans tend to run at odd speeds (or rather, run as if each were the cpu cooler fan), since it's trying to use pwm feedback based on one fan to run multiple fans, often of different speeds.

edit: it's still a decent low priced controller, even without the pwm function.
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The way I see it, for a cooler you want some turbulence between the fins. Stators straighten out the airflow and take away the rotation, and if you straighten it out too much you get closer to laminar flow which would be bad. So you need a compromise that gives you more pressure but leaves the turbulence. You can see how Noctua tries to mess up the laminar flow in their new designs. I wonder why we don't see any dimples.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a test using NF-P12+NF-F12+no fan. With the P14 at center/F12 in front, we may very well have the most capable tool doing the wrong job.
    
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