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i've been playing on a minecraft server and lately it has been attacked by DDOSers, and it really started to get annoying. I went and talked to the people who are doing it, but they are claiming that someone from the server I play on is DDOSING us by DDOSING them because they have something that forwards it back to the person that is doing it. Is this even possible? I plan on sending a message to the host of the server with ways to protect from DDOSers if what they say is not true, Thanks in advance
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Depends on the volume of the DDoS.

You can build a beefy router and make it capable of handling a certain amount of requests. You can also install some packet/request filtering.

However, it is an arms race.... they can still overwhelm the router if they add more machines.
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You live in Texas don't you? Second amendment my friend.

OT: Would it be possible to set-up the server under another IP? I don't really know how Minecraft servers work.
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Conventionally? No not really. Other than the method listed above, the only realistic option is spending ALOT of money on DDoS protection, a service like BlockDoS would be something used by a major business with real threat, not to mention this only matters if they actually want their site to stay up.

The best way to avoid it, is as best you can, to not share your IP address, or DNS/DynDNS/etc if it routes straight through to your LAN. If you have a dynamic IP, restarting your router is a good quick way of resolving the problem, but if they have your DNS, you're screwed.

Last year I was attacked for 2 days while hosting a public Garrys Mod server, I banned a clan of people who were being idiots on my server, turns out they were a group of script kiddies from Russia. Pretty sad I know, but I decided to combat it by sitting downstairs by the router, and restarted it about 10 times in a row. It threw them off, they got bored and stopped after that. I immediately disabled my DynDNS, made a fresh account and fresh DNS.

No attacks since.
Edited by Reflux - 2/3/12 at 11:22pm
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Is it possible to reroute the DDoS to the person that is doing the DDoSing?
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Is it possible to reroute the DDoS to the person that is doing the DDoSing?

Do you understand what a DDoS attack is?

Basically a bunch of computers keep trying to connect to the server saying "Hello!" then the server responds, getting ready to create a connection, when another computer says "Hello!" then another, and another and another, hundreds or thousands or millions of times per second. the server gets overwhelmed and cannot do its job. You cannot "re-route" a DDoS, only make the router for the server ignore requests from IPs suspected of doing the DDoS, but if they are smart, they will be switching around IPs a lot.

Im guessing the people who told you that it was forwarding it between whoever were messing with you, because that really doesn't make any sense.
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Do you understand what a DDoS attack is?
Basically a bunch of computers keep trying to connect to the server saying "Hello!" then the server responds, getting ready to create a connection, when another computer says "Hello!" then another, and another and another, hundreds or thousands or millions of times per second. the server gets overwhelmed and cannot do its job. You cannot "re-route" a DDoS, only make the router for the server ignore requests from IPs suspected of doing the DDoS, but if they are smart, they will be switching around IPs a lot.
Im guessing the people who told you that it was forwarding it between whoever were messing with you, because that really doesn't make any sense.

I know what it is, but I just don't have enough knowledge to know it all lol. I didn't think it was exactly possible, but i wanted to make sure that I wasn't wrong about it because the person talking to seemed so confident that it's possible lol.
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I know what it is, but I just don't have enough knowledge to know it all lol. I didn't think it was exactly possible, but i wanted to make sure that I wasn't wrong about it because the person talking to seemed so confident that it's possible lol.
Like I said, it is just a guess, but it really doesnt make sense. both the machines doing the DDoS and the machines getting DDoSed are busy with the DDoS, thats the point of it. They are "consumed" and the target of the DDoS would not be able to attack back, because one: it just thinks its getting a lot of traffic via requests (it doesnt "know" its getting DDoS'd). and two: its getting DDoS'd. It cant really do anything else.
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The only real way to stop someone with an extreme amount of bandwidth at their fingertips, is to hope that your downstream is better than their combined upstream... you can see why as the attacking boxes multiply, this can quickly weigh into their favor, as they saturate your bandwidth. No router can stop a DDoS in it's tracks... they merely make it a little harder to bring you down, and some of the DDoS services that claim to protect you can't handle a large enough attack either. The sites of major corporations have been dropped like a fly many times in our history, and they employ some of the greatest anti-DDoS tech in our country, as it can cost them millions to have their site offline for an extended period of time.
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I know what it is, but I just don't have enough knowledge to know it all lol. I didn't think it was exactly possible, but i wanted to make sure that I wasn't wrong about it because the person talking to seemed so confident that it's possible lol.
Like I said, it is just a guess, but it really doesnt make sense. both the machines doing the DDoS and the machines getting DDoSed are busy with the DDoS, thats the point of it. They are "consumed" and the target of the DDoS would not be able to attack back, because one: it just thinks its getting a lot of traffic via requests (it doesnt "know" its getting DDoS'd). and two: its getting DDoS'd. It cant really do anything else.

If DDos "consumes" the targeted computer's resources responding to all the 'hello"s...doesnt it take up all the attacker's resources as well to do the attack?
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The only real way to stop someone with an extreme amount of bandwidth at their fingertips, is to hope that your downstream is better than their combined upstream... you can see why as the attacking boxes multiply, this can quickly weigh into their favor, as they saturate your bandwidth. No router can stop a DDoS in it's tracks... they merely make it a little harder to bring you down, and some of the DDoS services that claim to protect you can't handle a large enough attack either. The sites of major corporations have been dropped like a fly many times in our history, and they employ some of the greatest anti-DDoS tech in our country, as it can cost them millions to have their site offline for an extended period of time.

The cyber-attacks made recently against several record labels and others in response to SOPA, were those DDos attacks?

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