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Yes, it should. Because even my Lynnfield is plenty "for gaming." Not a game out there it can't hold at 60 FPS+ (even at stock 2.8 ghz). Not that I've played, anyway.
In fact, other than budget builds (i.e. AMD), it should be the only thing recommended for gaming.
I agree.

I'm forcing myself to stick with Lynnfield until it is completely outdated. I've decided that I'm going to focus on buying new games and enjoying them instead of unnecessarily upgrading my computer every year or two. Especially since my Xeon is a Lynnfield that features Hyperthreading.

Anyway, on the topic of Battlefield 3 using Hyperthreading, if the Windows task manager is any indication, it does indeed utilize all 8 threads.
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How much it actually helps is another question. I'll do some comparisons if anyone is interested, but I doubt anyone will be since this thread is about 2500k vs 2600k.
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I am not comparing socket performance I am comparing CPU performance.
The i7-920 has the socket advantage, if you want to compare then do so with the i7-860.

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A 100mhz difference doesn't explain those Skyrim results.
Newer games are starting to take advantage of more cores and threads, period.
It does actually and Skyrim is a crappy console port like most of the other games that people like playing on their PC if you haven't noticed and it doesn't benefit from more than 4 cores.
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HT might help if the CPU is clocked low but once you have it over 4.6GHz then that plenty. Also you would have to be very manic about fps. Something like 1080p , 2 x HD 7970 120Hz and still want to play in Ultra and be competitive. I know first hand that Pros play with low specs. You dont need 120hz for BF3. Out of 1000s deaths maybe 1 is cause by computers slow refresh rate. human response time is way to slow to keep up with 120hz despite seeing it. Thats why 60fps is good enough. Smoothness is a different problem.
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post #174 of 238
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A 100mhz difference doesn't explain those Skyrim results.
Newer games are starting to take advantage of more cores and threads, period.

Thats right it doesn't, its the extra 2MB of L3 cache that does. Look at the Fallout 3 benchmark in the anandtech sandybridge review, same deal. That engine really loves the extra cache, look at the sandybridge-e benchmarks of Skyrim.
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Good to know that hyperthreading has some benefit outside of encoding/multithreaded tasks though. Hopefully we can actually see games employ this trend in 2012 - but I am doubtful. Heard somewhere that the new Bioshock will only use 2 cores ;\
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Just tried 720p Ultra 0AA and my GPU usage goes way down. I am 60-80fps with the CPU. I wonder how well HT help here. Also if 6-Core would get more CPU. Now i am more exited to upgrade to IVY.

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It's not necessarily about activities requiring more threads. A 2500K, for example, is inadequate for gaming if, say, you added a second 6990 to your rig. In that situation you'd have a pretty bad CPU bottleneck with your 2500K...

I'd sooner worry about having 4 GPUs share 16 PCIE lanes than having HT. Not sure why you'd build that kind of system on anything besides X79 and X58.


Additionally I've yet to see any evidence with regards to HT helping even multi-GPU setups. There doesn't seem to be any articles discussing this. Perhaps you could provide me with evidence or link to some illustrative benchmarks? This seems to get tossed around a lot so I'm not sure if it's true or just another myth.
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I'd sooner worry about having 4 GPUs share 16 PCIE lanes than having HT. Not sure why you'd build that kind of system on anything besides X79 and X58.
Additionally I've yet to see any evidence with regards to HT helping even multi-GPU setups. There doesn't seem to be any articles discussing this. Perhaps you could provide me with evidence or link to some illustrative benchmarks? This seems to get tossed around a lot so I'm not sure if it's true or just another myth.

Yes at a point GTX580+ level 2500K bottlenecks @ 1080p at certain maps. The thing i am still curios is if HT helps here.
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I can't believe this thread got so out of control

Let's put it this way, when I built my current rig EVERYONE was touting the same thing most are saying in here... "get the 2500k, there's no reason for 2600k!". So after seeing a lot of the same graphs that are posted in here (single gpu mind you) as well that's what I went with. On a single 6950 all was well.

On two overclocked 6950's all was.... well ok I guess. Performance was good but I did notice in a few games gpu usage was never over 85% sometimes even less. Everyone told me "oh it's drivers".. made enough sense at the time. So I went to a 6990/50 overclocked Tri-fire and then it all hit the fan.

My 2500k was clocked at 4.8ghz and in single monitor things did ok but gpu usage, especially in BF3, was horrible. I was seeing people with my same gpu setup getting amazing usage and performance and what I noticed different was they had a 2600k!!!! I still refused to accept that though and blamed drivers. In eyefinity it was even worse!!! I was getting better and more stable FPS with my xfire 6950's than my tri-fire!!!!

So again not believing it was the cpu bottlenecking, because omgz that just isn't possible 2500k is best evaarr right?... I sold the tri-fire and got the 7970 and everything was fantastic! But now I want to go xfire with these or maybe even tri-fire again, but guess what's going to happen? NOT THIS TIME.

I got a 2600k and am very happy I did. Honestly had I done this in the beginning I would probably still be rocking the 6990/50 tri-fire setup.

Also currently collecting parts for an x79 build for this exact reason.

If you truly are on a budget, sure get a 2500k it's a great cpu, or if you know you will only use ONE gpu. But be honest with yourself, if you're going to dish out the scrilla needed for multi-gpu gaming why not get a 2600k and BENEFIT! Some of you people have an odd idea of "budget" LOL... claiming it's not worth it to spend a little more for the 2600k yet have eyefinity or SLI 580's are you serious?? That makes absolutely no sense. (not talking about everyone obviously)

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If you truly are on a budget, sure get a 2500k it's a great cpu, or if you know you will only use ONE gpu. But be honest with yourself, if you're going to dish out the scrilla needed for multi-gpu gaming why not get a 2600k and BENEFIT!

Also not really meaningful. You went from multi-GPU to single while you went from the 2500K to the 2600K. You only shared your GPU usage with the 2500K and presumably haven't tried the 2600K in a multi-GPU environment to confirm your claim.

Show me the benefit; show me the numbers. I'm a bit surprised that there's pretty much no literature that supports any hyper-threading gaming benefit, whether multi-GPU or single-GPU. I've done a lot of googling and the only thing that came up were outdated Nehalem benchmarks that, surprise, demonstrated no benefits. Would appreciate if someone could find an article or benchmarks of HT-on vs. HT-off on an i7 presently.
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