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If a person is on a budget and plays games exclusively, I'll recommend the 2500K always.
 
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

If a person is on a budget and plays games exclusively, I'll recommend the 2500K always.

exactly. ONLY reason i have a 2600k is that i got a great deal, so why not? its a monster
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I find it very hard to believe anyone who says hyperthreading helps any games. EVERY CREDIBLE source says otherwise.

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And the link I posted earlier.

http://www.benchzone.com/page.php?al=gaming_performance_part1&pg=14

How do people still believe that their hyperthreading does anything for games?

Also here is a link to a post here on OCN about this exact thing.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1151970/my-own-bf3-benchmark-hyperthreading-on-vs-off

Hyperthreading doesn't do anything for games.

It seems like people are just trying to justify their purchase of a 2600k over a 2500k as someone pointed out earlier in this thread.

Still feels like I'm being trolled, as no one has any evidence whatsoever to prove otherwise. People just keep saying how HT helps, when in fact, it does not.
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Bottom line, the tests i performed and those in the OP are both with multi gpu setups. Keep that in mind.

Adding more gpu's does not put any more strain on the cpu. It just evens the load between the cpu and the gpu.

If you benchmark a game at a low resolution and get 100fps with a 7970 where the cpu is the bottleneck, then add 3 more for quad 7970's, you aren't going to get more than 100fps at ANY resolution unless the gpu was still the bottleneck at that low resolution. Increasing resolution/adding gpus doesn't change the amount of work the cpu has to do.

And you surely wouldn't get less fps with more gpus unless there is a driver issue or the game doesn't support multi-gpus.
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If you benchmark a game at a low resolution and get 100fps with a 7970 where the cpu is the bottleneck, then add 3 more for quad 7970's, you aren't going to get more than 100fps at ANY resolution unless the gpu was still the bottleneck at that low resolution. Increasing resolution/adding gpus doesn't change the amount of work the cpu has to do.
 

 

In this situation, don't you think a more powerful CPU will help? If no, there's no point at all going from single 7970 to Quad 7970.

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In this situation, don't you think a more powerful CPU will help? If no, there's no point at all going from single 7970 to Quad 7970.

Yes, but you obviously have no clue what this thread, or my entire post above yours, is about. We are talking about the 2500k vs 2600k (or more specifically hyperthreading vs no hyperthreading).

The 2600k with hyperthreading is not more powerful than a 2500k when it comes to gaming.

I feel like I just got trolled again as the entire point of this thread is that the 2600k is not more powerful than a 2500k in gaming.
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No offense to anyone.

 

Does that mean "Here, we don't have the resources to do reviews for our readers as HardOCP and Anandtech and it's entirely user's responsibility to present facts as we see fit"?


not saying no one here doesn't have the "resources" to do this, but this "evidence" to me is the burden of the OP...and take a look of his "test" and "results" in the quote below.

 

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Originally Posted by Denim-187 View Post

Wow seriously...... Why is it so hard to accept?
Look at the graph in the OP.....
Proof? Goto the 7900 series thread and see the members that sold their 2500k's for 26/2700k's.
One member got an extra 20FPS average from buying & upgrading from the 2500k to it's HT big brother
I did some tests myself.... and the only games that benefited from HT were BF3 and Metro2033
Crysis 2, MW3, Far Cry 2 and Source games yielded no difference.
I got an infraction from a mod on this thread because apparently i was trolling...... but really it was because i was giving it to the butthurt 2500k owners for being in denial and not appreciating RAW information.
If your emotionally affected by this information then i suggest you pursue to discover a new meaning to life thumb.gif
Bottom line, the tests i performed and those in the OP are both with multi gpu setups. Keep that in mind.
 


he tested all of these games, but couldn't be bothered to take any screen shots, or scratch out a graph in paint, it really goes to the crediblity of the OP's over all statement and "evidence" posted so far.

 

I have a xeon 3440, its about equivilant to a first gen core i7 860, it has HT. I've noticed a huge difference in other things with HT on (like compiling and video editing work) that are positive gains, not in games tho.

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In this situation, don't you think a more powerful CPU will help? If no, there's no point at all going from single 7970 to Quad 7970.

There are certain settings that will put a bit more strain on the CPU, but overall what he is saying is that the CPU can do so much, and can not exceed that regardless of how much GPU power you throw at it/lower settings. If, however, the GPU side of things can only do 50 FPS, then it does not matter that the CPU can do 100 FPS, as youre going to be limited by the GPU.

Adding more cards will allow you to turn up the graphics while maintaining target framerates. To exceed the theoretical 100 FPS limit in the example, you would need a stronger CPU.

The thing is in most almost all games* a 2600K is not "more powerfull" than a 2500K.

*Im not going to say it doesnt exist because I dont know that, but i have yet to see a game where a 2600K beats a 2500K by any meaningfull margin.
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The thing is in most almost all games a 2600K is not "more powerfull" than a 2500K.

Not to be too critical or anything but imo your quote should read "The thing is in all games a 2600K is not "more powerfull" than a 2500K." As there is not one benchmark or piece of evidence that can show hyperthreading increasing performance in ANY game.

As my previous post shows, there are plenty of benchmarks showing how hyperthreading is useless for games.

Although if anyone can show a credible benchmark that proves otherwise, then I would like to see it so I can give some rep out.
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Thanks all  thumb.gif

 

Have to admit though, will take more time for me to perceive the logic of the explanations.

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2600k with HT performs way better than a 2500k in Battlefield 3 using multi gpus full stop and bottom line.

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