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There have been games that will utilize multiple cores and hyper-threading since way before DX11 was on the horizon. Quake 3 will take advantage of hyperthreading.

There has been a rough and gradual trend for games and drivers to take better advantage of multiple logical CPUs for a long time.

Anyway, the 2500k is still a better bang for the buck gaming CPU than it's hyper-threaded equivalents. Yes, sometimes a 2600k or 2700k is faster, even in gaming, but the difference is rarely worth the cost.
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post

That's the condition, most people with 2500K's won't be running dual GPU anyways, so this thread is pretty moot.

A 2500k is often still a better value for dual GPU users than a 2600k, if gaming is the main concern.
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Originally Posted by sccr64472 View Post

Hyper Threading is only helpful if the program is written so inefficiently that there is downtime on the pipeline. If the pipeline is constantly in use, threads get stuck holding information and it's a hindrance. I don't think games will ever be intentionally written to have an idle pipeline because it's a terrible way to code.

The vast majority of programs that will spawn enough threads, will see a benefit from HT.

Most programs are not efficient. Ones that fill the pipeline are a rare exception, not the rule. Games are not one of these exceptions.

I have many games, some several years old, that run much better on one or two cores with HT, than the same cores, on the same chips, without HT.
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Im the type that looks for the best hardware for my personal interest, and my interest is performance.
Well if performance is all that you're interested in then why don't you have an i7-3960x?
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Don't feed the trolls.
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Originally Posted by Monocog007 View Post

Don't feed the trolls.


cpusky.jpg
(I'd love to see the Core i7-990X Extreme on this chart.)


920 is 3-5FPS faster then 750 at same clock speed.
Haters gonna hate.

HT pwns for multitasking and gaming at the same time.
I'll never own a high rig end without it.

Windows7 was designed for it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-CPU-Windows-7-Optimizations,8337.html

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Edited by amstech - 2/4/12 at 8:36am
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I'm willing to bet he is still hitting 60+ FPS 99.8% of the time.
If I disable my FPS lock, there is never a time that the CPU is bottlenecking me under 60FPS, and when my frame rate does hit 50FPS occasionally (at death), my GPU's are locked at 99%.
I never see the 2500K struggling to feed or bottlenecking my GPU's under 80 or 90FPS.

What this guy needs to do is enable the FPS graph and try again. Unless you've got a 120Hz monitor or like seeing useless frame rate that won't be noticed like 150FPS w/ HT vs. 130FPS, I can't see where the difference would be noticeable in BF3.
Edited by pengs - 2/4/12 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by Korlus View Post

There's also the value for money aspect. +$100(ish) for ~ +20% performance increase isn't ideal. Especially when you see negligible returns on extra CPU performance/more cores anyway.
If enough games were truly multi-threaded for this to really matter, Bulldozer would be a better chip.

^ This. 2500k is still great to recommend, especially if you have a microcenter near you.
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Your statement is void. If the 2600k is in the suggestion then they obviously are considering it and the finances are there.
Gaming cost money unfortunately dude....if u dont have $100 to spend on your gear, go find another hobby. Collect plant leaves or something.

Yeah, or have a life to spend your money on.... other than a single compulsive hobby
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The vast majority of programs that will spawn enough threads, will see a benefit from HT.
Most programs are not efficient. Ones that fill the pipeline are a rare exception, not the rule. Games are not one of these exceptions.
I have many games, some several years old, that run much better on one or two cores with HT, than the same cores, on the same chips, without HT.

There. Exactly, and that's the problem with the 'you can't recommend the 2500K anymore' theory.
We have BF3 and Crysis 2 which could possibly use HT in absence of physical cores ATM. The heavily threaded titles will keep coming but even a highly threaded game like BF3 at ultra settings on a HT-less CPU isn't hindering you below 60FPS, 80 in my worst-case scenario at just 4.3GHz.
Edited by pengs - 2/4/12 at 8:51am
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So what you are saying is, I should throw my 2500K away that is still in the box waiting for my bf3 PC build, because it will play BF3 like ****.

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Originally Posted by amstech View Post

cpusky.jpg
(I'd love to see the Core i7-990X Extreme on this chart.)
920 is 3-5FPS faster then 750 at same clock speed.
Haters gonna hate.
HT pwns for multitasking and gaming at the same time.
I'll never own a high rig end without it.
Windows7 was designed for it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-CPU-Windows-7-Optimizations,8337.html
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This chart shows pretty much what one would expect. The 2600k is just a tad faster then a 2500k and that's with a 100Mhz edge. What I however find interesting is that a I7 920 @ stock 2.66GHz is only 8FPS slower then a 2500k. I wonder how it would stack up with identical clock speeds thinking.gif
    
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