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Originally Posted by Phoenixlight View Post

The graph is pointless since the 920 and 750 are on different sockets...you need to compare the i5-750 and an i7-860 at the same clock speed if you want any sort of useful information. The comparison between the 2600k and 2500k is also useless because the 2600k has a 100mhz clockspeed advantage which means you're not looking at just the advantages of hyper-threading.

Yup. The i7-920 has more memory bandwith than the i5-750 which is responsible for a number of its performance wins; it's not a valid comparison. The graph itself is reputable and relevant but since it's not ceteris paribus when you change sockets looking at the i5-750 against the i7-920 is pretty silly.

Look at the 2500K vs. the 2600K instead. That 3FPS (<5%) difference is due to a combination of +100MHz clockspeed (mostly) and 2MB more cache (to a lesser extent).

I don't understand why people with the 2500K are being apologetic about it and stressing its value. Sure, it's an outstanding value. But more importantly getting anything greater than the i5-2500K on socket 1155 confers no performance advantages in gaming situations. There's a wealth of literature and testing that supports this. There's no controlled testing that suggests otherwise. If you want more performance, you go 2011 with dual GPUs in full-fledged X16 mode.

HT is a boon for multitasking and multimedia work, but from a pure gaming perspective not even console ports demonstrate a documented advantage with it enabled.

A lot of people are spewing gobbledygook about BF3/Skyrim supporting Hyper Threading but it's all "my experience" and no confirmed valid evidence/benchmark. In fact the benchmarks confirm the converse.

It's post-purchase confirmation. People that have the 2500K will arduously defend its value while those with the 2600K/2700K and i7's will assiduously defend hyper threading even if its defense isn't due (i.e. in gaming situations). They want to make themselves feel good about their purchase. You're losing objectivity -- look at the charts and evidence only. Documented, valid evidence demonstrates that i7s are still pretty ahead of i5s in multi-tasking and general multimedia applications overall. No evidence demonstrates advantages in gaming.
Edited by friend'scatdied - 2/4/12 at 10:13am
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A friend of mine had me build him a PC & he did not want to OC at all. So I got him a 2400 for 179.99 at the egg. He is a hardcore console gamer & hated having to mess around to much with updating. Installing n such. So the same day I built his Rig he got windows 7 installed and started doing all the updates for windows and right from there he just did not like all the messing around. So to make al ong story short he told me forget this crap. turned off the PC took everything out of it. Returned everything to the Egg & sold me the 2400 for $110.00.

 

I told him he didnt even give it a chance so he told me that he just didnt care for all this messing with PC crap. So I win lol

 

lachen.gifThat's pretty bad (in a good way for you though, obviously). Noobs gonna noob.
 

 

post #83 of 238
While I find the OP's result's interesting, I'm not sure they prove anything. I'd like to see other's repeat this for verification and there are also a few other things to consider- obviously he had to reboot to re-enable HT. Was the previous 'benchmarking' done on a fresh reboot as well? I'm thinking other things like memory availability and different processes running could be playing a factor here. Also the 'state' of the server could have changed- maybe it wasnt as full and thus less explosions and other CPU+GPU related overhead.

Also when simply testing HT vs non-HT- I don't think you need to test in a multiplayer environment. Just rule that factor out completely.
Edited by BinaryDemon - 2/4/12 at 10:36am
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post #84 of 238
The OP fails to realize that we enthusiasts are the minority, most PC gamers have quite low end rigs.
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Originally Posted by Denim-187 View Post

Your statement is void. If the 2600k is in the suggestion then they obviously are considering it and the finances are there.
Gaming cost money unfortunately dude....if u dont have $100 to spend on your gear, go find another hobby. Collect plant leaves or something.

When I got a 2500k I did so because there was no real benefit in getting a 2600k for gaming. Is there justification in getting a 2600k or 2700k for gaming now? Mabye on a few select titles, big mabye.

But with Ivybridge around the corner, "real gamers" will just upgrade to that anyways if they wanted to keep the best cpu for gaming.
Edited by Newbie2009 - 2/4/12 at 11:49am
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I would still recommend the 2500k over a 2600k for gaming.
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I would still recommend the 2500k over a 2600k for gaming.

me too tongue.gif

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post #88 of 238
So because 2 games gets slightly better performance with HT we shouldn't recommend a $100 cheaper alternative that will only give you like 3-5 FPS less?

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post #89 of 238
Core 2 Quads are still ripping it up in new games like BF3. Hell, a lot of people still play on duals. Most people aren't going to need a 2600k, so take your epeen and get out.
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