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I wouldn't mind seeing the sony name disappear. They have been riding the name for to long, they release mediocre products. Their TV's are nice but not the best, they are just way to over priced and offer less value against the Samsung and Panasonic. Sony's audio equipment has always been crap, never get a sony receiver if you want good audio quality. Sony computers are made with cheap plastics and feel cheap to the touch and are still largely over priced. Sony phones and mp3 players are a joke. The PlayStation name has been butchered, this current gen sony has been playing catch up with microsoft and still has lot to overcome on the software side.

Sony was once a great company, but now its just another Brand name just floating by.
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Sony is not playing catch up with MS anymore, period. They have the best exclusives every year and have had the best for the last 2-3 years, even if you look at the amount purely by the numbers. They are near passing 360 up in worldwide sales with a year later launch. thumb.gif

That and Vita is a great product, and the price is very good considering the specs and quality. I find it funny you guys think the phones are real comp... those are nothing more than casual crappy games, if people want real games on the go they will get a Vita.

I'm guessing most of you guys haven't had a chance to play the demo units yet... don't be surprised when you gotta clean up the drool when you do.
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Sony are too expensive for what they are. They need to drop prices to get customers
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Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post

Sony is not playing catch up with MS anymore, period. They have the best exclusives every year and have had the best for the last 2-3 years, even if you look at the amount purely by the numbers. They are near passing 360 up in worldwide sales with a year later launch. thumb.gif
That and Vita is a great product, and the price is very good considering the specs and quality. I find it funny you guys think the phones are real comp... those are nothing more than casual crappy games, if people want real games on the go they will get a Vita.
I'm guessing most of you guys haven't had a chance to play the demo units yet... don't be surprised when you gotta clean up the drool when you do.

What? Not talking about games, Sony still has a lot of catching up to do on the online/software side. First Off the menu system need to be reworked, right now its just slow and basic. I know they can't do much to fix it, but some things like long sync operations and a slow and painful updating system. Online matches can still be buggy, no cross game chat, poor use of the quick menu while in game. Seems like every feature the xbox's gets, sony ends up adding it to the ps3 months later. Everything Sony has mocked up as a cool "only on Playstation" app has pretty much failed, Look at the move sony hasnt done much with it while xbox's sales are booming along with the kinect.

The xbox isnt perfect, I love the uncharted and god of war series but Sony as a company I am not the most fond of. Its been half ass crap for the last 15years and i'm tired of it. Give me uncharted on the PC so I can play it with out thinking the entire game "how can people play with console graphics", plus the ps3 controller isn't the best but thats personal.
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PS Vita for games on the mobile? What, with Android and iOS both having an awesome looking version of GTAIII?

Any Tegra2 or Tegra 3 Android phone is going to perform just as well. The single big thing the Vita has for it are the dedicated game buttons. The biggest failing of the Vita is that it's not a mobile phone (who in their right mind would take out a 3G contract just for this? Idiocy).
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Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post

Sony is not playing catch up with MS anymore, period. They have the best exclusives every year and have had the best for the last 2-3 years, even if you look at the amount purely by the numbers. They are near passing 360 up in worldwide sales with a year later launch. thumb.gif
That and Vita is a great product, and the price is very good considering the specs and quality. I find it funny you guys think the phones are real comp... those are nothing more than casual crappy games, if people want real games on the go they will get a Vita.
I'm guessing most of you guys haven't had a chance to play the demo units yet... don't be surprised when you gotta clean up the drool when you do.

$2.9 Billion / (ps3+vita poor sale) = outlook not so good.

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and what exciting new thing do they have coming out?
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It's sad but when they still tout the Sony Walkman as being one of their prized pieces, it's not surprising.
They are one of the large relics like Kodak that are slowly fading.

I would actually have to agree here. I mean, the only big-time sellers are the PS products and TVs. Almost everything else has much better alternatives.

Car Audio? Alpine, Pioneer Elite, etc.
Home Audio? Denon, Pioneer Elite, McIntosh, Yamaha
PCs? Dell, Apple
Bluray Drives? Samsung
Mp3 Player? Well, just Apple.
Phones? HTC, Samsung, Apple, Motorola, even Nokia.

The company needs to learn to reinvent and revolutionize their products. Sticking with their Walkman concept has all but killed their mobile music platforms for the last 8 years. As Garth once said: "LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!!"
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Sony is not playing catch up with MS anymore, period. They have the best exclusives every year and have had the best for the last 2-3 years, even if you look at the amount purely by the numbers. They are near passing 360 up in worldwide sales with a year later launch. thumb.gif
That and Vita is a great product, and the price is very good considering the specs and quality. I find it funny you guys think the phones are real comp... those are nothing more than casual crappy games, if people want real games on the go they will get a Vita.
I'm guessing most of you guys haven't had a chance to play the demo units yet... don't be surprised when you gotta clean up the drool when you do.

You may think the games are good but its what they earn from those games. The console sales are split with MS earning way more on software sales, plus xbox live generates another billion each year on top. Sony and MS don't earn much from the console hardware and actually take a loss early on.

Both the xbox and playstation are side ventures, Sony made some decent profit on the PS2. Sony vs Nintendo and Sega was easy for them, the first xbox didn't do well and Sony had it all to themselves, they earned 6 billion. MS turned around the xbox with serious advertising and getting all the devs onboard for xbox 360, establishing xbox live which really helps xbox 360's profitability.

Sony blew the 6 billion on the PS3, you should know it costs billions to launch a console. Sony as a whole are only keeping themselves above water while MS still earn billions outside of xbox gaming related things. Xbox 360 is earning a profit for a few years now but even shareholders question whether Microsoft should continue with the xbox division. They lost billions on the first, xbox 360 costs billions to launch and since 2008 they've been making money on it but it doesn't compare to what MS earn elsewhere. MS have got a few billion profit now over the whole xbox investment, not a great deal to show for 10 years though but MS have enough clout to fund another console just to keep their brand name in the public.

Does Sony really want to go against MS again with their funding and blanket advertising? If you think back just after the original xbox, the 360 was seen as another doomed console and Sony would eat it up, its actually split now meaning not much profit for either. I don't think Sony are in a position to fund a fickle console scene. Console launch is a long slog with only decent profits coming in if you dominate. With MS pushing this hard, Sony can only hope to do as well as the PS3 which really isn't good enough investment. Without the Xbox Sony would clean up and Nintendo would do their thing, unfortunately for Sony the xbox 360 has taken more than half the market profits and I don't see the next box slacking in any way.

Sony PS3 is behind in online and software (not games). Just hardware Sony can compete but when you need operating software and online to define your product they haven't got a clue and are dinosaurs in the industry.

Like I said, these are small ventures for Sony and MS, more about further brand naming, PS3/360 earn around a billion a year in software profit and MS cleverly earn another billion on top with Live. Both are under threat as the work involved to keep relevant and cost of launching plus the oncoming threat of software and online truly taking over with cloud gaming in 5-10 years. MS have a new battle ahead against other upcoming tech. I just don't see Sony competing and only using their games library to earn some small money if they don't sell the whole lot.

if Sony and economy starts picking then Sony can easily risk another console but Sony really have to get the Software angle that MS and Apple dominate.
Edited by routek - 2/5/12 at 8:24am
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As a company with a major stake in the corrupt music industry and one of the biggest supporters of internet censorship I will be happy to see them go down. I feel for those who will we caught in their death thralls though.

If this is true my opinion of SONY has been reduced to nothing.
I don't believe in Karma but this would make sense. They are getting paid back for the evil they have done.

Edit: Is it bad that I had no idea SONY made TV's? LMAO, maybe that's their problem. They are spending too much money on taking innocent videos on Youtube down instead of advertising their products.
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$2.9 Billion / (ps3+vita poor sale) = outlook not so good.
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and what exciting new thing do they have coming out?

Ignorance. Look at Sony's revenue from last year, electronics division posted huge losses, but the gaming division posted profits. PS3 has been making Sony money for years now easily. Vita isn't even a factor in that, as it had been out for less than a month in Japan and isn't even out worldwide yet. Not to mention now that it's getting JRPG's sales are going UP.

So yeah, Sony's gaming division isn't the problem now, its their losses on mainly TV's and other divisions of electronics where they are not doing so hot. Sony is def struggling but the gaming side is doing fine now. 3DS had a slow start too, but now its selling like hot cakes. Let's face it, phones are good for casual gaming on the go, but there are plenty of people who want more depth, and better controls on the go.

Also as far as 3G vita's go, I'm getting 3G because I will be using mine as a phone via skype, and still pay less than a smart phone easily.

Also you guys have to take into account its not just Sony struggling, its a majority of the Japanese companies... the dollar to yen losses alone make it hard to profit... Nintendo is posting their first fiscal year loss in 30+ years. Capcom is at a loss... ect ect. So many factors... please stop with the ignorance.
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