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Hi guys,

I have absolutely zero knowledge in cooling so I'll need your help choosing what cooling to get for this new rig I'm building right now:

maybe I should specify that I won't use more than 2 SSD (only one actually, but want to have space to add another one if I ever want to)
No bling bling light. I hate it. All I care for is cost saving, performance and noise (silent).

CPU: i7 2600K
Mobo: ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7970 (will go Crossfire in a year or so)
Memory: 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (2x4GB)
Hard drive: 160Gb SDD
PSU: SeaSonic X-SERIES X-1050
OS: Win7 64bit
Monitor: Asus VG236HE
Cooling: ????
Case: ????
post #2 of 31

How high are you going to overclock your cpu?

 

I recommend the Silver Arrow because it is the only super cooler with PWM fan control. It is also the least expensive.

 

Make sure you buy low profile RAM. You don't need coxcombs on the low Voltage stuff they are selling now.

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post #3 of 31
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Originally Posted by marccoc View Post

Hi guys,
I have absolutely zero knowledge in cooling so I'll need your help choosing what cooling to get for this new rig I'm building right now:
maybe I should specify that I won't use more than 2 SSD (only one actually, but want to have space to add another one if I ever want to)
No bling bling light. I hate it. All I care for is cost saving, performance and noise (silent).
CPU: i7 2600K
Mobo: ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7970 (will go Crossfire in a year or so)
Memory: 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (2x4GB)
Hard drive: 160Gb SDD
PSU: SeaSonic X-SERIES X-1050
OS: Win7 64bit
Monitor: Asus VG236HE
Cooling: ????
Case: ????

what are you going to be using this machine for and any particular reasons you picked those components? you have the makings of a decent computer, but claim you don't know about cooling:D if you are on a tight budget, there are a few things you can switch out to save yourself a few bucks.(getting a 2500k instead of a 2600k for instance) but, if you have very specific reasons for those parts then that's fine.

for a good value case, the inwin buc is one of the highest rated cases

for liquid cooling the arc miDi is definitely the preferred choice

if you are looking to go smaller (mATX) both arc miNi and TJ08-E or the PS07 are all very high performance cases.

for classic looks, any corsair are good

for good value but high maintenance (lots of cleaning due to poor or no filters) then any of the HAF cases or storm enforcer would do well

as mentioned, it all depends on exactly what you intend to do with your machine. overclocking, triple SLi/xfire, liquid cooling, passive cooling etc...
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

what are you going to be using this machine for and any particular reasons you picked those components? you have the makings of a decent computer, but claim you don't know about cooling:D if you are on a tight budget, there are a few things you can switch out to save yourself a few bucks.(getting a 2500k instead of a 2600k for instance) but, if you have very specific reasons for those parts then that's fine.
for a good value case, the inwin buc is one of the highest rated cases
for liquid cooling the arc miDi is definitely the preferred choice
if you are looking to go smaller (mATX) both arc miNi and TJ08-E or the PS07 are all very high performance cases.
for classic looks, any corsair are good
for good value but high maintenance (lots of cleaning due to poor or no filters) then any of the HAF cases or storm enforcer would do well
as mentioned, it all depends on exactly what you intend to do with your machine. overclocking, triple SLi/xfire, liquid cooling, passive cooling etc...

Great thanks psyclum,

That's exactly the type of developped answer I wanted.
So to make it brief at answering your questions,
I don't know %/!% about cooling, that's right.
I have no particular reason why I picked those components, I just searched deeply and that's what I came up with for what I need.
PC Gaming will be the only and unique use of this rig. I won't do storage, won't watch movies, won't use any app other than PC games, I'll almost barely browse the web.
We have to make it clear here: I'm not on a budget, but I surely don't want to pay for something I don't need. (color light, fancy design or any aesthetic features).. Actually, I want this case to be as boring as possible.
I hate bling bling, colored light, design, sticker or any damn flashy things... All I care for is performance, cost saving, ease of access and noise(less).
From what I understand, watercooling is not an option for me since it seems to be mostly an hobbyist thing. Althought it can reduce noise, I don't think it worth the price of it.
Does my motherboard impose any restriction in the selection of my case ?

Finally, I will overclock both GPU, CPU and RAM. I also intend to crossfire 2x 7970 in a year or so. (won't ever go over 2 gpu cards however)
Also, I won't go over 2 SSD (no other storage unit).

Hope this can help
post #5 of 31
the mobo impose the form factor restriction you can use. if you use a full atx board, then mATX cases are out of the question since the board is physically too big to fit inside the case. another form factor related question is how many video cards do you intend to use in this machine? if you are going to use 2 or less video cards, then mATX is still viable.

the mobo you have selected is a decent board, however it's not one of the top of the line gamer boards like the asus RoG boards. if this is a pure gaming box then spending alittle more on the mobo may be justified since its built for maximum performance. you mentioned you WILL be overclocking and i doubt you will find a single board on the market that beats the asus RoG boards for OCing. since most system configurations are bottle necked at the GPU, you might be able to drive 2x7970 on a single 2500k or depending on how long you are willing to wait, you can see about getting ivybridge instead. current generation games wont benefit too much from 2600k vs 2500k because most games aren't written to take advantage of hyperthreading when you are already running on 4 cores. the cost of a 2600k isn't justified over the 2500k and that money you saved from the 2500k can be used towards more meaningful component like the RoG board. (of course this is assuming you haven't already bought the board:D if you have already bought the board, then forget about the RoG board:p)

IF you don't ever intend on going to liquid cooling AND you wont ever go above 2 video cards, then IMO the best bang for your buck on would be the RV02-E. it's the cheaper version of the FT02 and IMO the best air cooling case on the market today. it has 3 x 180mm filtered intake fans which will supply enough cooling for any system you are likely to fit inside that case and do so at a very good CFM / decibel ratio.
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Originally Posted by marccoc View Post

Great thanks psyclum,
That's exactly the type of developped answer I wanted.
So to make it brief at answering your questions,
I don't know %/!% about cooling, that's right.
I have no particular reason why I picked those components, I just searched deeply and that's what I came up with for what I need.
PC Gaming will be the only and unique use of this rig. I won't do storage, won't watch movies, won't use any app other than PC games, I'll almost barely browse the web.
We have to make it clear here: I'm not on a budget, but I surely don't want to pay for something I don't need. (color light, fancy design or any aesthetic features).. Actually, I want this case to be as boring as possible.
I hate bling bling, colored light, design, sticker or any damn flashy things... All I care for is performance, cost saving, ease of access and noise(less).
From what I understand, watercooling is not an option for me since it seems to be mostly an hobbyist thing. Althought it can reduce noise, I don't think it worth the price of it.
Does my motherboard impose any restriction in the selection of my case ?
Finally, I will overclock both GPU, CPU and RAM. I also intend to crossfire 2x 7970 in a year or so. (won't ever go over 2 gpu cards however)
Also, I won't go over 2 SSD (no other storage unit).
Hope this can help

ah well, a pure water loop isnt even more quiet
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

the mobo impose the form factor restriction you can use. if you use a full atx board, then mATX cases are out of the question since the board is physically too big to fit inside the case. another form factor related question is how many video cards do you intend to use in this machine? if you are going to use 2 or less video cards, then mATX is still viable.
the mobo you have selected is a decent board, however it's not one of the top of the line gamer boards like the asus RoG boards. if this is a pure gaming box then spending alittle more on the mobo may be justified since its built for maximum performance. you mentioned you WILL be overclocking and i doubt you will find a single board on the market that beats the asus RoG boards for OCing. since most system configurations are bottle necked at the GPU, you might be able to drive 2x7970 on a single 2500k or depending on how long you are willing to wait, you can see about getting ivybridge instead. current generation games wont benefit too much from 2600k vs 2500k because most games aren't written to take advantage of hyperthreading when you are already running on 4 cores. the cost of a 2600k isn't justified over the 2500k and that money you saved from the 2500k can be used towards more meaningful component like the RoG board. (of course this is assuming you haven't already bought the board:D if you have already bought the board, then forget about the RoG board:p)
IF you don't ever intend on going to liquid cooling AND you wont ever go above 2 video cards, then IMO the best bang for your buck on would be the RV02-E. it's the cheaper version of the FT02 and IMO the best air cooling case on the market today. it has 3 x 180mm filtered intake fans which will supply enough cooling for any system you are likely to fit inside that case and do so at a very good CFM / decibel ratio.

i totally sign this except the opinion about the RV02-E. this is a pure water loop case, nothing more and nothing less.
its not good at all if you run an aircooled cpu + crossfire / sli cards
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Probably any decent HSF from the Hyper 212+ on up will be more than enough unless you're going to OC real high. Then you'll want the top HSFs. I personally do not recommend closed loop water coolers as they are inefficient, a poor value, noisy and less thermally efficient than a quality HSF. And a HSF can't leak water and destroy hundreds of dollars in PC hardware like a CLC can.

The link below shows the thermal properties of many of the popular HSFs. How a HSF will perform in your case with your hardware can only be determined from actual testing in your PC case, but any of the quality HSFs should serve you well.

Note: How a HSF actually performs depends on the area of the CPU heat spreader so make sure to review the proper test data for the brand of CPU you are using.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSINK
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Probably any decent HSF from the Hyper 212+ on up will be more than enough unless you're going to OC real high. Then you'll want the top HSFs. I personally do not recommend closed loop water coolers as they are inefficient, a poor value, noisy and less thermally efficient than a quality HSF. And a HSF can't leak water and destroy hundreds of dollars in PC hardware like a CLC can.
The link below shows the thermal properties of many of the popular HSFs. How a HSF will perform in your case with your hardware can only be determined from actual testing in your PC case, but any of the quality HSFs should serve you well.
Note: How a HSF actually performs depends on the area of the CPU heat spreader so make sure to review the proper test data for the brand of CPU you are using.
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSINK

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Do you belive in that trash? frostytech is the less reccommended page for Cpu Cooler Comparison...

Unless you can PROVE that Frosty Tech's test methodology is flawed or their test data is incorrect - which it is not, you should not go around making meritless, deragatory statements. If you don't understand the scientific test methodology used at Frosty Tech and why it's the PROPER way to run a controlled scientific experiment to determine the true thermal efficiency of the HSF without all the uncontrolled variables involved when testing in a PC case, then you should read up on proper scientific testing methodology.

I have already explained this information in other HSF threads in this forum. You might want to do a little research. Arguing isn't going to change reality or the test data.

As I duly noted in my post above - no one knows how a specific HSF will perform in the OP's PC case with his specific hardware - without careful testing. The results that an online reviewer gets testing a HSF in HIS PC case with HIS PC hardware can be quite different from how that model HSF performs in thousands of other PC case/hardware configurations. The data generated in PC case test is only valid for the specific case/hardware use in the test - not for any other PC case and hardware. That is precisely why Frosty Tech actually tests the HSFs by themselves to see which ones perform best without all the variables of a PC case/hardware.
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There are better pages

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