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Originally Posted by hajile View Post

All charts but the first are normalized to account for differences in the amount of users. With that many app launches in just 15 days, you can rest assured that the apps monitored range from very popular to somewhat popular with many apps being identical between the two platforms (one company releasing on both platforms and using the same company for monitoring), the exact apps do not matter. Only the trend of the graph matters.
It's not so much about the amount of users though on each platform though, it's about the amount of different apps for iOS and Android that support Crittercism. Let's say there's only 10,000 apps on Android which use that service, but on iOS there's 100,000. That means it's far more likely for an iOS user to have apps which support Crittercism than it would be for a droid user, and consequently, the numbers for iOS will be higher. Do you understand what I'm saying? If an iOS device has ten apps which use Crittercism, and an Android device has less, the former is significantly more likely to have higher numbers than the latter.

They just don't provide enough information to establish any kind of accuracy.
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Even if iOS 5.0.0 and 5.0.1 are removed from the picture, iOS still has more crashes as compared with Android. I would love to see numbers on ICS crashes, but I suspect that it won't be as big of a problem because developers will have had opportunity to work with ICS for a couple of months before any other ICS devices hit the market.
That's true, but the results could still be skewed though.
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How is jailbreaking different from rooting and how can the difference affect system stability? Jailbreaking is using an exploit to allow the running of unsigned code. Rooting is using an exploit to allow superuser privileges. The difference is mild except that installing a completely new OS atop an existing kernel (as is often done with Android) can be much more dangerous than running unsigned apps on an idevice.
It's not the act itself but rather what users do with it. The add-ons available in Cydia leave potential for instability. And, as I said, private APIs can be a problem if an app uses them.
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Wide usage has nothing to do with the merits of a language (Java is proof of this).
OT:If objective-C is the best you've worked with, I highly recommend that you try a functional language like Lisp or Haskell. You'll never view easy to work with the same way again (that is...if you have what it take to think functionally).
Back on topic: I should clarify my statement. One of the largest considerations no matter the language is the programmer. Beyond that, assuming equally good, but imperfect programmers as most humans are (aside from the occasional Real Programmer), the next consideration is the differing kinds of potential bugs. When I said 'loads more bugs', I meant 'loads more potential for bugs'.
In programming (as you likely well know) there is a trade-off of ease with greater performance and potential for disaster. Even today, lots of performance can be gained from assembly programming/tweaking, but there's huge potential for mistakes. For nearly everything, the small loss in performance is taken for fewer bugs and easier development. Similarly, the change from C to C++ or objective-C is a tradeoff (in normal situations) of more power for easier development via OOP. Even within objective-C, there is the potential for a tradeoff where performance is given up for defensive programming methods.
Java makes two major tradeoffs that aren't made by objective-C (one of them is, but not for idevices). The first is the elimination of direct pointer manipulation. While some power is given up, an entire (and huge) category of bugs is eliminated. The second is where direct memory management is given up for garbage collection. This also eliminates a huge category of bugs.
So here's the logic. If objective-C has most/all the same bug categories as Java and then also has two additional (and major) categories of bugs, then there will be more bugs in an objective-C program assuming programmers of equal talent working on similar projects. Despite this bug potential, the objective-C program will likely have better performance.
I'm not sure why you say iOS doesn't have Garbage Collection, it does as of iOS 5. It's called ARC or Automatic Reference Counting, you don't have to release objects anymore, it's handled by the OS. I don't see how using pointers opens one up to potential bugs, either.
Edited by steelbom - 2/5/12 at 11:51pm
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I never said it WILL, just that it CAN. Thanks for stating the obvious.

You said it as if you had a point. I'm just stating the obvious that your argument has no value or significance.

And I'm sorry you feel that way steelbom. You have repetitively said in the past that iOS is more stable. Frankly, it is not. Lots of bleeding hearts these days....
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This is going to ruffle some biased feathers but ONLY if they don't read the article properly.

Looks like I was right. You can't be biased and desire to be regarded as unbiased at the same time. If anyone wishes to maintain their "objective/unbiased charade" they'd do well to avoid making a highlight of themselves.
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You said it as if you had a point. I'm just stating the obvious that your argument has no value or significance.
How you can you say "you said it as if you had a point" when all my posts have been about how this data isn't accurate and that was merely an additional component to why, and a small one at that. I was merely pointing out the fact that there's a lot of holes in this report, which could skew the results heavily. You've yet to address any of those points, and no doubt because you can't. The scenarios I pointed out a highly possible, and not anywhere near enough data is given to establish which OS is actually more stable.
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And I'm sorry you feel that way steelbom. You have repetitively said in the past that iOS is more stable. Frankly, it is not. Lots of bleeding hearts these days....
You're basing that on inaccurate data. As I said, it lacks way too much information to prove anything.
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Someone already mentioned Facebook and Words with Friends crashing, and it does, terribly. Also, the worst one for me was Skype. That app become so horrible once MS bought out Skype and started updating it.

On Android, for me so far, I have only had the web browser crash a couple times.
 
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What's your point? I'm interested in and know a lot about Apple which is why I'll usually defend them. I like Android, but I don't know much about it so I can't really step in and correct misinformation, can I?

That's an admission of bias. Defending one over the other because you know more about it is completely biased. Of course, half of OCN is exactly like this, defending Windows over Linux, or PC over Mac, Nvidia over AMD, ect. This is one of the problems I see in most OCN news thread. People like to defend their purchases, they want to believe that they bought the best product for their money, and they don't like hearing bad things about the stuff that they own.

On-topic:
My wife and I have had 5 iPod Touches, and 3 iPhones, and crashing is such a rare event that I could really care less about it. Maybe once or twice a week, total, for all the apps her and I use. But I've never owned a phone with Android on it, so I can't verify whether or not I would see more or less crashes on it, with similar usage.
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I would say that any iDevices down fall will be iTunes ... I had my ipod touch 4 (BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PHONE AND WILL NEVER REFER TO IT AS "4G") -Irritated by that- anyways, I found that if you improperly remove the ipod touch/iphone or whatever you own or the PC may shut down improperly while such device is plugged in it can cause very bad issues. The worst issue I've had so far on my touch is that I tried to open an app and it crashed then tried opening another app ( stock) it opened... then another non-stock app ... crash . all my downloaded apps crashed. The only fix left was to do an update of all the apps I had which was weird because they had worked the day before and I did not apply a new update to the device... Do people realize how many stupid updates come out for iOS/APPS? Its kinda insane and if you own an iDevice you have to Sync it and Back it up and worst thing is you can't get your purchased songs back if you bought them and removed them from the device... which is retarded. I literally bought an album twice... Do people understand that Apple does not care ? They let me purchase a CD two times with no way of redeeming the first purchase. I wonder if Google/Android do the same... Wait no they don't...because they created the "refund" button and songs are obtained in other ways.doh.gifdoh.gifdoh.gif
    
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The apps are only as stable as their creators' minds are. thumb.gif
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I've had the stock apps on my iPad crash, just close to home screen, a lot more than my Samsung Galaxy S2 does.
    
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I run android 2.3.3 what crashes 0.o seriously I have only seen my phone display force close what.. once maybe twice in almost two years.
-previously android 2.2 (for first year)
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