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post #11 of 30
Are you limited to that case?
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I find it confusing that you say that money is no object, yet you dont want to buy a new case.
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Money isn't the issue with the case, the original scope of the project was to max out what I already own. I want to try and stick to that as much as possible, and avoid replacing anything I already have if I can at all avoid it. If that means frankensteining the system, so be it.

Before I had said I wanted to sell this system one day. This is not really important to me, as I had previously thought. I'd much rather hack it to pieces and make it as awesome as possible for as long as a bloomfield (or later, gulftown) cpu is still relevant.

What I'm confused on are the numbers.

I found this wonderful article: http://daemonkin.hubpages.com/hub/Choosing-a-radiator-for-pc-watercooling
It gives all the necessary equations and calculations to find out everything I need. I didn't know what these figures were called before or how to obtain them. This will prove most useful in this planning stage.

With me, before I do anything, i need to have a perfect ideal (by the numbers) in mind, as well as a theoretical "lower bound" in terms of performance. Then I go and do research as to how I'm going to get as close as possible to the ideal while spending the least amount of money thereby achieving the most cost efficient build.

I figure if I can understand the physics, I can make educated calculations and thus an educated purchase.

This is why I come to you, the experts. Sorry for any confusion, and thanks for all the help. I'll post what I come up with and see what you guys think.
post #14 of 30
your going to have one hell of a time trying to fit a custom loop in that mini box.
If i was you id get a full atx. Don't me wrong its doable, but your going to chop the hell out of that case to be able to cool all that with enough rads.

If money and size doesnt matter get the new Cosmos 2 case, all the room you could need ever... unless your Los Hog and need a forktruck to move your case wink.gif lol theres lots of other options out there.

If your stuck with that case then I'll try to work up a plan for ya but let me know first if you can change cases cause that would alot easier
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Another vote for a new case. Dealbreaker: you mentioned that you intend to put a rad or two in areas where a 120mm fan will just fit. A 120 radiator's footprint is appreciably wider than 120x120 so those areas will not work.

As far as cooling capacity required, a good rule of thumb is 120 for each major component (CPU & GPU's), add more for overclocking.
Edited by threephi - 2/7/12 at 11:45am
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I feel like you are dropping so much money in a outdated system. Forget GTX580s. HD 7970s are faster. Core i7 first gen is fast but not the fastest.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

I feel like you are dropping so much money in a outdated system. Forget GTX580s. HD 7970s are faster. Core i7 first gen is fast but not the fastest.

Dual 580's aren't exactly slouches for gaming, especially if you use CUDA for anything like F@H. First-gen i7's don't have to be the fastest out there, they are more than fast enough to play anything currently out and certainly perform fairly well in non-gaming situations as well, plus he already has that... tongue.gif

As for the money dropped in watercooling, the vast majority of that is going to be able to be reused when he upgrades eventually anyway. When he upgrades CPU, the block will work just fine, and the only thing he'll really have to get rid of is the full cover gpu blocks when he swaps to something new. 580's should easily hold him for a year or more, totally worth the cost.
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Still crunching numbers, but to address the comment on the size and space for the rads. There is a plate that separates these fan-bays let's call them. About half an inch thick or so. It can be removed with little difficulty in order to facilitate the addition of a 120.2.

So far, I've decided that I'm definitely keeping the case. And don't worry, happy, don't kill urself over trying to accommodate my stubbornness, lol. Its nbd, I can figure out my retarded loop all by myself lol.

Its looking like I might do two separate loops. One would start with a bay res/pump combo -> externally mounted 120.2 rad -> CPU -> Chipset -> Voltage Regulator -> res.

The other would probably be one of those all-in-one jobs mounted up top so that the only thing that's down below are the GPUs in parallel. Less tubing and it lets me have at least 120.3 of surface area.

Then again, I've done no specific research yet. I'll post when I get some model numbers. I'll be scouring skinneelabs once I figure out the TDP of the 580s after a decent OC - that measurement should .futureproof me, I think.

Oh and on that note - I somewhat agree with the person who said I'm sinking cash into an outdated system. I'm really using the 580s as placeholders for whatever upcoming kepler card nvidia's going to wow us with in the coming months - gtx 780 or whatever. This build isn't going to start until September, since 90% of the cash for it is going to come from my summer job. I just like to plan things way in advance so I know how hard I need to bust my ass in order to afford it, or if I can even afford it at all. The bloomfield processor might be swapped out for a 980x if and only if the price is ridiculous and the overclocking benefits warrant that. I've read that the opinion that upgrading within the i7-9xx line at all is pointless because they all essentially have the same exact upper bound, but idk and thats not my focus now since they're still ridiculously expensive, even though they're discontinued.

I hate buying bleeding edge, so I'm hoping the new nvidia cards come out asap so I can get them after they've been on the market for six months or so and people have put them through hell and know what they can handle.

off-topic point of curiosity - since the new cards are going to be pcie 3.0, does having 2.0 slots put me at a significant disadvantage?

Thanks, guys, for all the help.
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Just trying to help smile.gif

Good luck on your build!
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@happycamper: And I appreciate it, bro...I just feel bad that you're spending time figuring stuff out for me and not doing....well, other, more important **** lol.

Anyway, according to my calculations, an XSPC RX240 will have enough deltaT to allow me to overclock my 960 and also cool the x58 chipset that runs hot as all hell.

However, a 240mm rad will not fit inside my case, as everyone predicted. I am one step closer to throwing the goddamn box in the trash.

One last desperate attempt to keep it. I believe I have enough room to mount two 120mm single rads one on top of the other if each is turned on its side. The rads are significantly taller than a 120mm fan, but they have the same width plus or minus a few millimeters. They'd fit in the front fan bays of the P180 like gloves...hopefully.

Is it advisable to have the two rads in series rotated 90 degrees so that the tank with the fittings points toward the back of my case? Reference this photo: http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images/Radiators/XSPC/RX120/RX120_ProdShot.jpg except that the fittings are pointing away from you if they were in my case. The tank is on the correct side if you're looking at the case from the front.

Am I making sense?

I'm hoping this is a viable solution. Next I tackle the GPUs - definitely going external with those.
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