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Most games that i play it seems really choppy, now i'm wondering what if i upgrade to i5 2500k? is it worth it?
how is your experiance ? are games smoother?

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Combat Arms ( Most of the times )
Call Of Duty
battlefield 3

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Most games that i play it seems really choppy, now i'm wondering what if i upgrade to i5 2500k? is it worth it?
how is your experiance ? are games smoother?
Current PC:
Intel i5 650 4GHZ 1.34v
4GB ram
Amd radeon 6870
corsair hx 750
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Games:
Combat Arms ( Most of the times )
Call Of Duty
battlefield 3
and many games

It should play games smoothly in general, have you tried overclocking a little bit higher to see if that affects the smoothness?
Your 6870 should be the limiting factor in BF3, the i5 can handle a single card very well.

You definitely shouldn't have a problem in CoD, battlefield will probably be choppy on your card unless you're running slightly lowered settings though.
I run without AA and AO on my 470s to get a higher framerate.
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It should play games smoothly in general, have you tried overclocking a little bit higher to see if that affects the smoothness?
Your 6870 should be the limiting factor in BF3, the i5 can handle a single card very well.
You definitely shouldn't have a problem in CoD, battlefield will probably be choppy on your card unless you're running slightly lowered settings though.
I run without AA and AO on my 470s to get a higher framerate.

My Chip sucks i can't get any further.. mad.gif
EDIT: GPU-z shows 99%-100% load in most games

what's the differents betwen Quad core and Dual core with HT anyway?
i heard games are much smoother on quad core? is that correct?
Edited by xenonca - 2/6/12 at 4:41am
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My Chip sucks i can't get any further.. mad.gif
EDIT: GPU-z shows 99%-100% load in most games
what's the differents betwen Quad core and Dual core with HT anyway?
i heard games are much smoother on quad core? is that correct?

They could be a lot smoother on a quad but the newer dual cores with HT are usually pretty close to the quads in games.
A hyper-threaded core is basically half a core with some resources split between it and another core.
If GPU-Z is showing 99% in most games then the stuttering could be caused by your GPU but that would be a bit odd.

Have you tried dropping to the 23x multiplier?
The clarkdale chips seem to overclock a little better on uneven multipliers, I know mine won't run the base clock I'm running on the 18x multi but the 19x is fine.
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My Chip sucks i can't get any further.. mad.gif
EDIT: GPU-z shows 99%-100% load in most games

your graphic settings are too high for your graphics card.
lower the in-game graphic settings so that gpu usage is less than 99%.
     
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That is the dual core version of the i5 which can hurt you for gaming. Here is my suggestion, sell your current cpu and board and get this...

- i5 2500k
- Motherboard that supports crossfireX
- a second 6870

You have a good 750w PS so you won't need to upgrade that.

With this upgrade you will be able to play anything on ultra with 40+ fps
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Originally Posted by Jayjr1105 View Post

That is the dual core version of the i5 which can hurt you for gaming. Here is my suggestion, sell your current cpu and board and get this...
- i5 2500k
- Motherboard that supports crossfireX
- a second 6870
You have a good 750w PS so you won't need to upgrade that.
With this upgrade you will be able to play anything on ultra with 40+ fps

Why would Dual core hurt? gaming? can you explain ? I thought most games are running on dual core these days? what differents would it be if i had Quad core?
what about AMD Phenom x4 955 + motherboard i can get for cheap
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Why would Dual core hurt? gaming? can you explain ? I thought most games are running on dual core these days? what differents would it be if i had Quad core?
what about AMD Phenom x4 955 + motherboard i can get for cheap

Newer games are becoming more and more resource hungry. For example BF3 uses all 4 of my 4.5Ghz cores at about 65% usage each. This depends on how much your CPU has to keep up with your graphics cards. If you have a solo 6870 card, technically your current CPU should handle it fine, but the more CPU hungry games are going to make you struggle.

No I would not go with the AMD setup. Yes I know it is tempting because of the price you can get an AMD quad core for plus the boards are typically cheaper, but trust me. I was a huge AMD advocate for a long time because you could obtain a true quad core CPU for ~$100 and play 99% of games on ultra. That isn't the case anymore. If you go with that AMD you will be barely upgrading if at all. Your solution is simple if you have the cash for it. Get the 2500k, crossfire your 6870 and I promise you, you'll be happily gaming for years to come, plus ivy bridge chips are going to be the same socket (1155) so get a gen 3 board and you'll really be future proofed.

I just recently came from a similar situation. I had one 5770, and an AMD quad core phenom... I went with the i5 2500k, got a second 5770 for crossfire, and now I play BF3 with all settings on high and 2x AA @ 50+ fps.
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Newer games are becoming more and more resource hungry. For example BF3 uses all 4 of my 4.5Ghz cores at about 65% usage each. This depends on how much your CPU has to keep up with your graphics cards. If you have a solo 6870 card, technically your current CPU should handle it fine, but the more CPU hungry games are going to make you struggle.
No I would not go with the AMD setup. Yes I know it is tempting because of the price you can get an AMD quad core for plus the boards are typically cheaper, but trust me. I was a huge AMD advocate for a long time because you could obtain a true quad core CPU for ~$100 and play 99% of games on ultra. That isn't the case anymore. If you go with that AMD you will be barely upgrading if at all. Your solution is simple if you have the cash for it. Get the 2500k, crossfire your 6870 and I promise you, you'll be happily gaming for years to come, plus ivy bridge chips are going to be the same socket (1155) so get a gen 3 board and you'll really be future proofed.
I just recently came from a similar situation. I had one 5770, and an AMD quad core phenom... I went with the i5 2500k, got a second 5770 for crossfire, and now I play BF3 with all settings on high and 2x AA @ 50+ fps.

The i3 is not the problem in this situation, my i3 can push a single 470 at 900MHz core (stock is 607MHz so basically a 470+50%) in the games the OP mentioned with no problems or bottle-necking.
I can't comment on SLI as my board is limited by the PCI-E slots but one high-end card will be fine and the 6870 is less powerful than my 470 is.
A 470 at 900MHz is only slightly behind a 580 unless it's running out of VRAM by the way.

I'm not saying that the clarkdale chip is as good as a 2500K but BF3 is going to be GPU limited anyway.

Edit: Actually, there's no point in going for crossfire unless the OP also upgrades his board so the 2500K isn't a bad suggestion if you wanted to go that route.
The H55m-UD2H has a PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot and a PCI-E 1.1 x4 slot so the second card won't have enough bandwidth to make a big difference to performance.
Personally, I'd upgrade to a 7970, 580,480,6970,570,6950 or a 560ti 448 core to get better performance in games because your HD 6870 should be the limiting factor in the games you mentioned.
Edited by Mike-IRL - 2/6/12 at 6:46am
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I don't know why I didn't think of this before but what ATI drivers are you using at the moment? I know BF3 has issues with some versions of CCC. I used the ATIman program to remove all traces of AMD/ATI drivers and then did a fresh install of 12.1 and I'm rockin and rollin with BF3 now.
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