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I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

To boot from GPT, you need UEFI as well...
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Thanks, what's weird is I left it on default when I formatted the 3TB and default in Windows 7 is 4096. Don't understand why it shows up as 132096k aligned.

Ok, I just discovered that if your drive is formatted GPT it's allocation unit size will always default at 132096K aligned whereas MBR will always default as 1024K aligned under Windows 7.

I'm surprised no one posted this information on OCN considering all the 3TB drives I see people claim to own.

That is because every GPT disk must have a MSR partition followed by primary data partition(s). Tthe MSR must be created before other primary data partitions. It is 128MB default + the alignment = your 132096K primary data partition alignment.

Also, run this command in CMD:
Code:
fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo X (where X is the drive letter of your 3TB drive)

Post a screenshot of it when you are done, it will show the allocation unit size. Default for NTFS is 4096.
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Originally Posted by Kramy View Post

I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

To boot from GPT, you need UEFI as well...

Time to upgrade Kramy.
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Originally Posted by Kramy View Post

I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

That doesn't make sense since MBR only supports up to 2TB. How are you using MBR to recognize the entire 3TB partition?
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That is because every GPT disk must have a MSR partition followed by primary data partition(s). Tthe MSR must be created before other primary data partitions. It is 128MB default + the alignment = your 132096K primary data partition alignment.
Also, run this command in CMD:
Code:
fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo X (where X is the drive letter of your 3TB drive)
Post a screenshot of it when you are done, it will show the allocation unit size. Default for NTFS is 4096.
Time to upgrade Kramy.

Thanks Sean! I learned something new today.

Forgot one tiny thing, the colon after the drive letter. I kept typing in fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo X and it would work doh.gif

Your right it's 4096B


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I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

That doesn't make sense since MBR only supports up to 2TB. How are you using MBR to recognize the entire 3TB partition?
i think he has it partitioned with smaller partitions.
Quote:
Thanks Sean! I learned something new today.

Forgot one tiny thing, the semicolon after the drive letter. I kept typing in fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo X and it would work doh.gif

Your right it's 4096B


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Oh yea, I forgot to tell you about the colon. doh.gif lol
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I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

To boot from GPT, you need UEFI as well...
I'm told a Sabertooth 990FX is UEFI, but Windows 7 didn't think so. smile.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

Time to upgrade Kramy.
From a Sabertooth 990FX? To what? lachen.gif
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramy View Post

I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

That doesn't make sense since MBR only supports up to 2TB. How are you using MBR to recognize the entire 3TB partition?
MBR supports a certain number of sectors. My drive correctly identifies itself as using 4K sectors (rather than 512b), so the limit is actually (2.2TB * 8) for this drive. (about 17.6TB)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

i think he has it partitioned with smaller partitions.
Nope.

Ironically, it works fine on Windows XP as well. I must've been one of the few XP 32bit users that had 3TB+ storage drives in use. But now I have finally upgraded to Win7 x64.


Anyway, back to my GPT problem - I tried to install Windows to a GPT drive, but for whatever reason my devices only showed up as UEFI until I stuck the Windows installer on them. CD/DVD drive = UEFI - I plop a Win7 DVD in, suddenly it's just "P4" (Port 4?) Likewise, all my flashdrives showed up as UEFI, but as soon as I used Microsoft's USB DVD Download Tool to write to them, the UEFI prefix vanished. If I wipe them out or stick a linux installer on them, it's back. rolleyes.gif

I fought with it for hours, then gave up.
     
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Time to upgrade Kramy.
From a Sabertooth 990FX? To what? lachen.gif

I didn't look at your rig tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by kikkO View Post

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Originally Posted by Kramy View Post

I tried using GPT, but there was no point - Windows 7 x64 didn't like it for some reason.
So I'm using MBR on my 3TB drive... and it's working fine accessing all of it. tongue.gif
I also generally format using SystemRescueCD (Gparted), so I wouldn't know what Windows' default formatting behaviour is. But thanks for filling me in. smile.gif

That doesn't make sense since MBR only supports up to 2TB. How are you using MBR to recognize the entire 3TB partition?
MBR supports a certain number of sectors. My drive correctly identifies itself as using 4K sectors (rather than 512b), so the limit is actually (2.2TB * 8) for this drive. (about 17.6TB)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

i think he has it partitioned with smaller partitions.
Nope.

Ironically, it works fine on Windows XP as well. I must've been one of the few XP 32bit users that had 3TB+ storage drives in use. But now I have finally upgraded to Win7 x64.
Wait it is your boot drive with a full 3TB drive as your OS drive partitioned to the full space amount?
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Anyway, back to my GPT problem - I tried to install Windows to a GPT drive, but for whatever reason my devices only showed up as UEFI until I stuck the Windows installer on them. CD/DVD drive = UEFI - I plop a Win7 DVD in, suddenly it's just "P4" (Port 4?) Likewise, all my flashdrives showed up as UEFI, but as soon as I used Microsoft's USB DVD Download Tool to write to them, the UEFI prefix vanished. If I wipe them out or stick a linux installer on them, it's back. rolleyes.gif

I fought with it for hours, then gave up.

For the DVD drive problem, it could be your disc or DVD drive.

Did you try my guide? You need the USB to be FAT32 and it needs the BOOTX64.EFI file and and the other files in the efi/boot folder on the USB to be detected as a proper UEFI device and install the OS off of. The M$ Tool makes it NTFS, which will not allow you to do an install on a GPT disk with.
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MBR supports a certain number of sectors. My drive correctly identifies itself as using 4K sectors (rather than 512b), so the limit is actually (2.2TB * 8) for this drive. (about 17.6TB)

That makes sense, since MBR automatically defaults to using 512B sectors. How did you get MBR to use 4K (4096B) sectors instead of 512B? Did you have to format the drive with a special program?
 
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For the DVD drive problem, it could be your disc or DVD drive.

Did you try my guide? You need the USB to be FAT32 and it needs the BOOTX64.EFI file and and the other files in the efi/boot folder on the USB to be detected as a proper UEFI device and install the OS off of. The M$ Tool makes it NTFS, which will not allow you to do an install on a GPT disk with.
I formatted it to FAT32, but I noticed their tool reformats it, and I don't think I checked it afterwards. I'll look into it further sometime next week. I discovered that my USB2 flashdrive is too slow for such experiments, so I'm waiting for a nice USB3 (90MB/sec reads) flashdrive to arrive.

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MBR supports a certain number of sectors. My drive correctly identifies itself as using 4K sectors (rather than 512b), so the limit is actually (2.2TB * 8) for this drive. (about 17.6TB)

That makes sense, since MBR automatically defaults to using 512B sectors. How did you get MBR to use 4K (4096B) sectors instead of 512B? Did you have to format the drive with a special program?
Nope. I just do all my partitioning in Linux with Gparted. I'm told it's been 4K sector ready for years and years - it just wasn't fake-4K ready.

I just used the tools exactly the same as normal. I have no idea what magic happened behind the scenes.
     
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Nope. I just do all my partitioning in Linux with Gparted. I'm told it's been 4K sector ready for years and years - it just wasn't fake-4K ready.
I just used the tools exactly the same as normal. I have no idea what magic happened behind the scenes.

Ahh, I knew there was a catch. I guess since 4K is evenly divisible by 512B OSes like OSX, Windows XP/7 shouldn't have a problem with it.

A 3TB MBR partition, interesting. Going to give it a try this weekend.
 
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For the DVD drive problem, it could be your disc or DVD drive.

Did you try my guide? You need the USB to be FAT32 and it needs the BOOTX64.EFI file and and the other files in the efi/boot folder on the USB to be detected as a proper UEFI device and install the OS off of. The M$ Tool makes it NTFS, which will not allow you to do an install on a GPT disk with.
I formatted it to FAT32, but I noticed their tool reformats it, and I don't think I checked it afterwards. I'll look into it further sometime next week. I discovered that my USB2 flashdrive is too slow for such experiments, so I'm waiting for a nice USB3 (90MB/sec reads) flashdrive to arrive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kikkO View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramy View Post

MBR supports a certain number of sectors. My drive correctly identifies itself as using 4K sectors (rather than 512b), so the limit is actually (2.2TB * 8) for this drive. (about 17.6TB)

That makes sense, since MBR automatically defaults to using 512B sectors. How did you get MBR to use 4K (4096B) sectors instead of 512B? Did you have to format the drive with a special program?
Nope. I just do all my partitioning in Linux with Gparted. I'm told it's been 4K sector ready for years and years - it just wasn't fake-4K ready.

I just used the tools exactly the same as normal. I have no idea what magic happened behind the scenes.

USB3 probably won't help you, as typcally USB3 needs a driver that windows loads. During install, the USB3 connectors typically run at USB2 legacy speeds.

... and a quick question. Your 3TB drive under XP, is/was a storage drive, not the OS boot drive correct?
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