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I have been reading around in the threads of the photography section of OCN, and have absolutely loved it. This is due to the fact that I have always wanted to get into the hobby of photography, but have never chosen to pursue that interest. After my readings here, I have decided that I want to purchase a Canon t2i, and get some practice and time under my belt. I love making art, and I love sharing it; win, win! biggrin.gif
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Some basic info
I am a novice, utterly, and completely. redface.gif
I want to take a pictures of EVERYTHING, lol. tongue.gif I am very excited to photograph everything from action to landscapes and portraits.
My budget is 800-900$

My questions thinking.gif
Should I buy just the t2i body, and buy 1 or 2 more different lenses ( suggestions specific lenses please thumb.gif )
or
the t2i with 18-55mm lens
or
the t2i with 18-135mm lens
or something totally different!
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I'm not necessarily absolutely set in stone on buying the t2i. After reading at The Digital Picture, this camera seems really promising, and hasn't changed enough to it's newest incantation to justify me buying the t3i instead; especially since they share the same image sensor. These reasons, among others, make we want to buy this camera. The t2i seems like a great buy, especially at B&H's prices, but if anyone has suggestions, I am all ears; I want to make the best purchase possible. Any help is very appreciated, thanks!
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Are there any reasons in particular you want the T2i besides it being popular?
I had one myself, and found it lacking. I even tried the T3i, and still found myself wanting more. I ended up sticking with an older model 1D series.
It may not be for everyone due to weight and size. T2i seemed extremely grainy at normalish ISOs. In addition, it tipped over when heavier lenses/external flashes were mounted.

Another option is to go for a 20D or 30D. Those are dropping in prices used, and can maintain a higher framerate.

The only thing that I'd keep the T2i/T3i for is video mode. That was fun sometimes, but not enough for me to ditch my main camera for.

Depending on how much you're spending on a T2i, a used model can save you a significant amount of money. I got myself the 1D for a very modest price, and have picked up a 20D for a friend for cheaper than many lenses.
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Are there any reasons in particular you want the T2i besides it being popular?
I had one myself, and found it lacking. I even tried the T3i, and still found myself wanting more. I ended up sticking with an older model 1D series.
It may not be for everyone due to weight and size. T2i seemed extremely grainy at normalish ISOs. In addition, it tipped over when heavier lenses/external flashes were mounted.
Another option is to go for a 20D or 30D. Those are dropping in prices used, and can maintain a higher framerate.
The only thing that I'd keep the T2i/T3i for is video mode. That was fun sometimes, but not enough for me to ditch my main camera for.
Depending on how much you're spending on a T2i, a used model can save you a significant amount of money. I got myself the 1D for a very modest price, and have picked up a 20D for a friend for cheaper than many lenses.

Not really sure where you're coming from here. The T2i has great noise control compared to the older models.
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For someone who's starting out, the T2i is plenty of camera. No offense, but recommending someone who is a self-described complete novice to pick up a several-year old 20/30D for learning is bad advice. For the money you would spend on one of those bodies and a lens, you can get the last generation's latest and greatest Rebel for comparative cost, with a warranty, etc.

For starting out, the T2i is a great camera. The bodies have dropped under $400 BNIB over at Adorama, or you can utilize the Canon Loyalty Program (see sig) and get one with the 18-55 kit lens for $447.99. This is probably your best bang for the buck at the moment for sure.

Start out with the kit lens, and get used to shooting outside of Green Box (aka Auto, aka Idiot) mode. Don't get hung up on buying other lenses or other gear before you've even purchased your camera. The best way to make decisions on lenses is to shoot, and see where you're truly being limited. For most people starting out, it's going to be reach, pure and simple, and the most logical step would be a 55-250 to complement the 18-55, but again, don't purchase one until you believe that you'll use it enough to justify spending the money. Save your money for a decent tripod, memory, and for paying for travel to go to cool places and take photos.

Think about it this way - photography, at this point, is a hobby. It's the equivalent of getting into computers and overclocking, going out, buying the components for a barebones system, but then buying a complete water cooling kit from Rasa. You may not even be overclocking yet, but you're wanting to literally get your feet wet and jump right in, but you might not be a natural at overclocking, and it might just become a source of frustration since you haven't (per your own admission) done it before, etc. Spend the money on going to LAN parties, meeting other overclockers, etc, not on the gear, or in your case, spend the money on opportunities to shoot with the gear that you buy, and not awesome gear (at first, anyways).
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Not really sure where you're coming from here. The T2i has great noise control compared to the older models.

Yeah, I don't understand that at all.
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Didn't know they dropped to below $400, that changes everything. When I got mine last fall, it was $600 used, same price for the T3i.

Maybe it's just that I expected things to handle differently? Just when I compared photos, I couldn't justify the increase from a $200 20D to a $600 T3i.

It's just that to me spending $200 was much more cost-efficient for learning.

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Yeah, I don't understand that at all.
For me, what bugged me was the horrible smearing the NR did. And when I processed in raw, it was just a mess of noise at same ISOs.
Edited by registered99 - 2/7/12 at 12:41pm
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Were you looking at 100% and finding the files noisy?
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NR is awful. I do a little chromatic NR on 8x10s if I'm shooting ISO 2000 and up, but that's it.
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When you get your t2i, I would get the 18-135mm lens kit since you're just getting into the hobby and that lens doesn't lose too much quality by having the great zoom. That lens would be your all purpose lens and you can just take it out and shoot whatever you want, whether it's landscapes, telephoto (to an extent), etc. The 35mm equivalent to this lense is 29-216mm, which is an outstanding range, plus the benefit of image stabilization.
Here's a link to the lens on the canon site:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_s_18_135mm_f_3_5_5_6_is

The other lens I would recommend is a 50mm medium telephoto no zoom lens. These lenses have a really wide aperture, so you can separate your target and background easily, giving a smooth blurred background and a sharp subject. This is basically THE ideal lens for family photos or portraits for the above reason. I would get one of these 2 lenses:

Cheap, but only f1.8 aperture plus no USM (ultrasonic motor - basically really fast focusing):
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_50mm_f_1_8_ii

This one has a USM in it, plus a really wide f1.4 aperture:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_50mm_f_1_4_usm

Basically, the wider the aperture, the better the separation of the subject from the background.


Those are the 2 kinds of lenses that everyone should have in their camera bag, since they're great lenses and you can take almost any kind of shot with them thumb.gif

EDIT:
With regards to which camera you should buy, the t2i is definitely the best bang/buck. My reasoning for this is that not only do you get the same sensor as the 7D, but you also get 1080p video at a ridiculous price. The pictures that come out of this camera are phenomenal for the price. If you really want options, the t2i gives you both fantastic image quality and the ability to shoot full 1080p video, just be sure to get a class 10 SD card smile.gif
Edited by theloneplant - 2/7/12 at 1:46pm
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Are there any reasons in particular you want the T2i besides it being popular?
Yes, the t2i has a superb image sensor, apparently the same one found in better canon cameras, namely the the 7D. After reading, the image sensor is one of the most crucial components affecting IQ, not megapixel, as I believed before; and that you should get the best sensor available in your price range. Also, there's very little difference between the t2i and the t3i; a swivel screen among a few other amenities that I forget.
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Originally Posted by MistaBernie View Post

For someone who's starting out, the T2i is plenty of camera. No offense, but recommending someone who is a self-described complete novice to pick up a several-year old 20/30D for learning is bad advice. For the money you would spend on one of those bodies and a lens, you can get the last generation's latest and greatest Rebel for comparative cost, with a warranty, etc.
For starting out, the T2i is a great camera. The bodies have dropped under $400 BNIB over at Adorama, or you can utilize the Canon Loyalty Program (see sig) and get one with the 18-55 kit lens for $447.99. This is probably your best bang for the buck at the moment for sure.
Start out with the kit lens, and get used to shooting outside of Green Box (aka Auto, aka Idiot) mode. Don't get hung up on buying other lenses or other gear before you've even purchased your camera. The best way to make decisions on lenses is to shoot, and see where you're truly being limited. For most people starting out, it's going to be reach, pure and simple, and the most logical step would be a 55-250 to complement the 18-55, but again, don't purchase one until you believe that you'll use it enough to justify spending the money. Save your money for a decent tripod, memory, and for paying for travel to go to cool places and take photos.
Think about it this way - photography, at this point, is a hobby. It's the equivalent of getting into computers and overclocking, going out, buying the components for a barebones system, but then buying a complete water cooling kit from Rasa. You may not even be overclocking yet, but you're wanting to literally get your feet wet and jump right in, but you might not be a natural at overclocking, and it might just become a source of frustration since you haven't (per your own admission) done it before, etc. Spend the money on going to LAN parties, meeting other overclockers, etc, not on the gear, or in your case, spend the money on opportunities to shoot with the gear that you buy, and not awesome gear (at first, anyways).
Thanks for the info and suggestions. I researched the CLP link you have listed in your sig, and buying one there seems like a good idea. I'm really leaning now towards buying the basic 18-55mm kit, as it seems to be enough for me to begin on. And as you said, I'm definitely a novice and beginning, and I shouldn't probably overreach just yet.
I am a little weary of buying refurbished, as I love getting new, but I am also a deal hound. tongue.gif But from what I read on your sig link, that a lot of the cameras are returns and have a pretty low shutter count when they get back to canon. I guess I'll have to do some more thinking if I'll buy new or a refurb.
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Originally Posted by theloneplant View Post

When you get your t2i, I would get the 18-135mm lens kit since you're just getting into the hobby and that lens doesn't lose too much quality by having the great zoom. That lens would be your all purpose lens and you can just take it out and shoot whatever you want, whether it's landscapes, telephoto (to an extent), etc. The 35mm equivalent to this lense is 29-216mm, which is an outstanding range, plus the benefit of image stabilization.
Here's a link to the lens on the canon site:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_s_18_135mm_f_3_5_5_6_is
The other lens I would recommend is a 50mm medium telephoto no zoom lens. These lenses have a really wide aperture, so you can separate your target and background easily, giving a smooth blurred background and a sharp subject. This is basically THE ideal lens for family photos or portraits for the above reason. I would get one of these 2 lenses:
Cheap, but only f1.8 aperture plus no USM (ultrasonic motor - basically really fast focusing):
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_50mm_f_1_8_ii
This one has a USM in it, plus a really wide f1.4 aperture:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_50mm_f_1_4_usm
Basically, the wider the aperture, the better the separation of the subject from the background.
Those are the 2 kinds of lenses that everyone should have in their camera bag, since they're great lenses and you can take almost any kind of shot with them thumb.gif
EDIT:
With regards to which camera you should buy, the t2i is definitely the best bang/buck. My reasoning for this is that not only do you get the same sensor as the 7D, but you also get 1080p video at a ridiculous price. The pictures that come out of this camera are phenomenal for the price. If you really want options, the t2i gives you both fantastic image quality and the ability to shoot full 1080p video, just be sure to get a class 10 SD card smile.gif

Your edit seems to be the general reasoning that I pickup in my readings, and keeps pushing me towards buying it. I think I'll take the savings from buying the t2i with the 18-55mm over the 18-135mm and reinvest it back into the hobby once I outgrow that lens. =rep thumb.gif
Edited by Defunctronin - 2/7/12 at 2:17pm
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