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I need more cores and no way to get them right now grrr.
I have 8 now with my 2600K but I want to do the bigadv. grrr

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Just an idea why dont panda group just take away the bonus points all together then no crying about running bigadv or smp. Problem solved this whole spend tons of money to be a big points contrbiute is getting old. I guess this is just the american way of doing the least amount of work and getting huge rewards. I really got down on my setup as people are saying my setup I just bought 2 months ago are not going to give me big points. I was thinking about when i first started folding and was using p4 and getting 384pts a day, I can't image what a p4 does now a days. I think panda is shooting there self in the foot with making theses changes and really making hardware that is not super old not worth the electricty to fold with.
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Just an idea why dont panda group just take away the bonus points all together then no crying about running bigadv or smp. Problem solved this whole spend tons of money to be a big points contrbiute is getting old. I guess this is just the american way of doing the least amount of work and getting huge rewards. I really got down on my setup as people are saying my setup I just bought 2 months ago are not going to give me big points. I was thinking about when i first started folding and was using p4 and getting 384pts a day, I can't image what a p4 does now a days. I think panda is shooting there self in the foot with making theses changes and really making hardware that is not super old not worth the electricty to fold with.


Might make you happy... but those doing the most work wouldn't be.
a p4 EE can do about 5k ppd smp or something like that.

I really don't see why people think that those getting the most points are not working for it.
Please post the evidence as to why you think that.
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Just an idea why dont panda group just take away the bonus points all together then no crying about running bigadv or smp. Problem solved this whole spend tons of money to be a big points contrbiute is getting old. I guess this is just the american way of doing the least amount of work and getting huge rewards. I really got down on my setup as people are saying my setup I just bought 2 months ago are not going to give me big points. I was thinking about when i first started folding and was using p4 and getting 384pts a day, I can't image what a p4 does now a days. I think panda is shooting there self in the foot with making theses changes and really making hardware that is not super old not worth the electricty to fold with.

This makes no sense. Why should everyone get the same points regardless of the hardware that they have invested in?
If your machine is not capable of doing the huge units, that is fine because there are plenty of other work units that also need to be completed.
The more you put into it, the more you get out of it. It is that simple.

Your comment about the American way of doing things... These people are not doing the least amount of work. Their computers are doing more work than yours can, and so they get more points for it.

Dont get down about what your computer can or cant do. All work that your computer is able to complete helps.
I built in the past year 3 computers that were capable of doing the huge units, but they no longer are. I didnt get upset one bit about this. I now have an i7 2700k, and two i7 970s that are great at SMP units. It just means its time for a 4p rig to do the bigger units
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This makes no sense. Why should everyone get the same points regardless of the hardware that they have invested in?
If your machine is not capable of doing the huge units, that is fine because there are plenty of other work units that also need to be completed.
The more you put into it, the more you get out of it. It is that simple.
Your comment about the American way of doing things... These people are not doing the least amount of work. Their computers are doing more work than yours can, and so they get more points for it.
Dont get down about what your computer can or cant do. All work that your computer is able to complete helps.
I built in the past year 3 computers that were capable of doing the huge units, but they no longer are. I didnt get upset one bit about this. I now have an i7 2700k, and two i7 970s that are great at SMP units. It just means its time for a 4p rig to do the bigger units

I think he's more referring to the point discrepancy between SMP and bigadv on the same machine. However it's done in order to encourage and reward people in spending more to get better bigger machines for folding. However you have to bear in mind, what are points really worth? It's the equivalent of e-peen, a demonstration of commitment to a cause, nothing more than that. So who cares if it's a bit skewed to reward big donors and encourage the smaller donors to step up if they can afford to. If however if the end result is discouraging people more than the benefits then that should be addressed.
     
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I can clearly remember back in 2010 where it was possible to get 3 perhaps 4 of the best -smp WU's done in a 24 hr period.Now it seems that it is taking 24hrs to get just one WU that is called -smp done.I do not monitor points and what WU goes with those points very closely any more but it just feels like more work for less ppd in the -smp world. Perhaps a new catagory called -hugesmp is what is needed (and the ppd to go with it).
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I can clearly remember back in 2010 where it was possible to get 3 perhaps 4 of the best -smp WU's done in a 24 hr period.Now it seems that it is taking 24hrs to get just one WU that is called -smp done.I do not monitor points and what WU goes with those points very closely any more but it just feels like more work for less ppd in the -smp world. Perhaps a new catagory called -hugesmp is what is needed (and the ppd to go with it).

This may seem to be a good idea for those who do not meet the bigadv requirements but still have decent rigs. Keep in mind that for the past several months we have essentially been cheating to get the bigadv WUs on anything that does not have 8 and then later 12 cores. As the computer world changes it is only right that those who invest in the cutting edge get rewarded. In a year or two their 2/4p setups that they spent 1000s on will be getting the same points as a sub 600 dollar setup. I think they deserve the extra points. Hey if you are willing to spend the money then you should be able to get some kind of rewards for doing so.
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I can clearly remember back in 2010 where it was possible to get 3 perhaps 4 of the best -smp WU's done in a 24 hr period.Now it seems that it is taking 24hrs to get just one WU that is called -smp done.I do not monitor points and what WU goes with those points very closely any more but it just feels like more work for less ppd in the -smp world. Perhaps a new catagory called -hugesmp is what is needed (and the ppd to go with it).

Yes, there are some large smp units out there... you can get them by using the bigadv flag or when you are setting up the client you can choose to allow the big units... instead of leaving it on normal.
These bigger units, to me, seem to get around the same ppd as the average small smp unit.
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Personally, I can't wait until i5s and i7s can no longer do big/hugeadv WUs, this just means that it will level the playing field in the TC. Now, if I get a couple 6901s throughout the month and another i5 folder gets all 6903s, I have no chance of being competitive, regardless of how dedicated my rig is. If it is changed back to all SMP WUs, then I feel I have a more fair shot at being the top i5 folder in the TC because it is no longer luck of the draw, but who's system OCs higher or who's system is more dedicated.

Frankly, I'll miss the huge amount of points that big/hugeadv WUs net, but in reality, those points mean nothing. I love the TC, I love the fold-a-thons, but even without this, without the whole points structure, I'd still be folding. I love the cause, and I hope that my machines can help fine treatments, cures and ways to prevent these horrible diseases. Frankly, I fold for cure, the points are just for fun. Let Stanford do what they will, points wise, I'll still be building my folding farm more and more. I have 5 rigs folding now, 2 more will be online by the middle of next week, I fold one WU on my PS3 every night (start it folding before I go to bed, always set to one unit), I've set up folding on my mothers computer, my grandmothers computer, I'm still working on my friends...My point is, I'm here to help find a cure, the points are just for fun. JMHO.
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Personally, I can't wait until i5s and i7s can no longer do big/hugeadv WUs, this just means that it will level the playing field in the TC. Now, if I get a couple 6901s throughout the month and another i5 folder gets all 6903s, I have no chance of being competitive, regardless of how dedicated my rig is. If it is changed back to all SMP WUs, then I feel I have a more fair shot at being the top i5 folder in the TC because it is no longer luck of the draw, but who's system OCs higher or who's system is more dedicated.
Frankly, I'll miss the huge amount of points that big/hugeadv WUs net, but in reality, those points mean nothing. I love the TC, I love the fold-a-thons, but even without this, without the whole points structure, I'd still be folding. I love the cause, and I hope that my machines can help fine treatments, cures and ways to prevent these horrible diseases. Frankly, I fold for cure, the points are just for fun. Let Stanford do what they will, points wise, I'll still be building my folding farm more and more. I have 5 rigs folding now, 2 more will be online by the middle of next week, I fold one WU on my PS3 every night (start it folding before I go to bed, always set to one unit), I've set up folding on my mothers computer, my grandmothers computer, I'm still working on my friends...My point is, I'm here to help find a cure, the points are just for fun. JMHO.

agreed, since i am not running a dedicated rig my 2500k can not compete with those who are running a dedicated linux setup. As a result my points can be about 1/5th of those who can do bigadv. While I might not be about to out preform them even on SMP the actual difference between our performance will be easier to see
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