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My definition of best graphics is most realistic graphics. The only game that I know that could take the position so far is Arma 3. Arma 3 is by far the game that has the most realistic graphics.

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Been playing through the original Crysis (completely maxed settings including AA/AF @ 1080p = 65-80fps with no drops below 65fps) without any mods or anything, and the fact that this game came out 6 years ago is absolutely MIND-BLOWING! The lighting, tessellation/whatever-it-is-that-makes-the-rocks-look-so-good, animations, the AI, everything.... It's just jaw-dropping, to this day. Furthermore, I don't think there is any game aside from maybe Far Cry 3 that can compete with Crysis' jungle; it truly feels alive, with the lush green foliage, the trees swaying in the wind before getting cut down by gunfire (I love dropping trees on enemies and especially their vehicles).
I can't wait to go back through and play with a bunch of texture and graphics mods, as I have already downloaded at least 30-35 of them (all of the ones recommended in the thread here on OC.n as well as some others).


Metro 2033 has surprised me, in that I am surprised I can run it full-tilt with my system. I thought for sure I would need a second 670FTW but with everything maxed @ 1080p (the ONLY setting that isn't is AA, which is set to AAA instead of MSAA; PhysX is on max, motion blur is set to High instead of very high with the slider at the ~40% mark), gives me an average ~56FPS with a minimum of ~39FPS, and that's an average and minimum for the entirety of the first 4hrs of gameplay... The outdoor scenes are where it ran slowest. However, in this game I never feel like I need much more in terms of FPS; I think a locked 60 (constant; no drops/dips/increases/etc) would be perfect, and based on what I've gotten so far, I am pretty confident that I can achieve that with a 2nd 670FTW for SLI along with a GTX550Ti (EVGA 2GB SSC, hope to hit 1GHz Core which would push the shaders to around 2GHz) or GTX650Ti (Boost? EVGA SSC 1GB; OC the core as high as it'll go, leave memory as-is or downclock to get more core speed).



As strange as this sounds, I am putting Half-life 2 up there in the "best graphics of all time" category. I am doing my (20th? 50th? Seventy-Billionth?) play-through off-and-on lately, and it's flat out amazing how well the SOURCE Engine has held up over time! This isn't The Orange Box I'm talking about, it's a straight-up RETAIL copy from the day it released (I have a second release-day copy that I bought "just in case", and it's never even been opened; still has the plastic shrink-wrap on it... wonder what the value is?), which means it has a box (a small cardboard construct with a glossy coating designed to protect the contents, typically one or more installation discs alongside a "user manual" and occasionally a "quick-glance reference manual", and often featuring graphics/artwork on the exterior extolling the virtues of a given piece of software... Believed to have become endangered around 2008-9, and was added to the "critical" list of near-extinction just months later....), and it installs from a series of "DVDs" (acronym for "Digital Versatile Disk" or for some "Digital Video Disk"; a physical data storage medium popular from around 2001 to 2008, it consists of a small, ring-shaped disc that stores information via microscopic lands and grooves on one side of the disc, that when read by a "DVD Drive" laser, are interpreted as "1's and 0's"; it is the precursor technology to today's Blu-Ray storage format, and DVDs themselves were inspired by something called the "Compact Disc", an even more antiquated digital data storage medium most commonly used for music distribution and sales prior to the "iTard De-Evolution" that took place circa 2006-2008; these so-called "CD's" were eventually phased-out from computer usage due to "DVDs" having significantly greater storage capacity, which were in turn phased out by "Blu-Ray" discs which, depending on the variant, can hold anywhere from 25 to 100-128GB of data; the "DVD" is typically limited to 4.7-8.5GB depending on the type of disc and "optical drive" used; the "CD" is limited typically to ~750MB but variants with capacities ranging from 650 to 900MiB were available) courtesy of something know as an Optical Drive, which is what those large bays on the front of most cases are, the ones that are too big to fit Hard Drives or SSD's, and are typically used for things like Fan Controllers or Water Cooling Reservoirs; they actually weren't designed with control panels or reservoirs in mind wink.gif

All things serious, though, it's still one of the most visually impressive games out there, and whereas almost every other game from 2003-2005 looks like splattered smeary fecal matter blasted onto your monitor, Valve managed to make a game that is essentially "timeless". The character modeling and animations are just as, if not more convincing than any modern game, and the narrative, atmosphere, character dialogue, etc, etc...it's all perfectly executed.
Yeah, some of the textures are "low res" and you're not going to be "blown away" by tessellation/etc, but play the game and I guarantee that you won't ever think "oh, this needs an overhaul" or anything like that.

Plus, there is not one single game that has better physics in terms of what it actually does for gameplay. The Gravity Gun is a game-changer, making literally anything a potential weapon and forcing the player to be creative (plus, playing through Ravenholm with just the Gravity Gun and a mix of the Saw Blades and Exploding barrels/tanks is a Blast, pun intended wink.gif ).

That said, I am hoping that someone will do a FULL texture/model overhaul, but instead of changing anything, just upgrading it to "modern day standards" (4K textures, tessellation if it's in the Source Engine code, enhanced post-processing, increasing the character polygon count by a huge amount, etc), thus giving us "HL2: HD+" that, unlike the current HD texture packs I'm aware of, would remain 100% faithful to the original art direction of the game. I don't want to mess with perfection, I just want perfection to get an update wink.gif

Though, if anyone knows of HL2 texture/graphics mods (that don't require Orange Box) for HL2/HL2:E1/CS:S/etc, let me know! I would love to see what's out there that I don't know about!!! thumb.gif
   
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When it comes to graphics I do not think we can chose a best, at least at this point of time. Games graphics are art, most games are not going for the ultimate realistic look but to create their own art theme with in their budget. Its fun to imagine but games look no where near reality. We have came a long way but its still the beginning.
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My definition of best graphics is most realistic graphics. The only game that I know that could take the position so far is Arma 3. Arma 3 is by far the game that has the most realistic graphics.

That definition leaves out any game pursuing a specific art style, like most fantasy RPGs or Dishonored. My definition is most technically advanced graphics. I only played ArmA 3 alpha for the first few weeks, it didn't look very good at all. Crysis, Crysis Warhead, modded Skyrim, BF3, Metro: Last Light, and maybe some others looked better (and more realistic). However pictures of the retail game did look more impressive.

The ArmA 3 screenshots a few posts above yours made me lol, they look like low-medium settings with blocky things in the distance, no AA, and I won't even have to go into how it's lacking ambient occlusion and just looks.... lol. Doesn't even do the alpha justice.

Metro: Last Light actually pushes "next gen" visuals by heavily utilizing tessellation, and by a long shot, it has the best graphics of any game I've played. Crysis 3 might be a step above it but I never played it, so I can't say. The tech demos looked very impressive, utilizing tessellation even more. Plus it's anything like Crysis 1, then everything that should be bump mapped or parallax mapped, actually is bump mapped or parallax mapped.

@ nleksan - lol HL2? It aged well but is obviously bested by the average game today in terms of graphics technology. Use Cinematic Mod.
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Read my whole post next time... I said that it has aged better than almost any other game, and that the Source Engine itself is a phenomenal piece of software engineering.

Also, Cinematic Mod is exactly the WRONG kind of texture mod... He has completely changed the unique art style of Valve into something generic and Blah
   
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Tomb Raider in 3d is one of the most impressive things that I've seen. That might be at the top of my list at the moment.
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Read my whole post next time... I said that it has aged better than almost any other game, and that the Source Engine itself is a phenomenal piece of software engineering.

Also, Cinematic Mod is exactly the WRONG kind of texture mod... He has completely changed the unique art style of Valve into something generic and Blah

I did read your whole post, but still there's this, "All things serious, though, it's still one of the most visually impressive games out there", as well as this, "The character modeling and animations are just as, if not more convincing than any modern game". lachen.gif

People are quick to misjudge the Cinematic Mod. Read the entire description of the mod next time. First and foremost it is not just a texture mod, it doesn't even replace most textures with uber high res ones. There are many post-processing presets: these are what change the art style. You can opt to keep the original, more bland lighting/post processing look.

Besides, it's not like HL2's style was distinctive in this regard anyway; the art style comes from the world design, set pieces, and soundtrack, which Cinematic Mod doesn't forcefully change (there is an optional cinematic soundtrack with tracks from various movies, which I actually prefer).

It enhances character models, giving you many new optional HD "replacers" for key NPCs, generic civilians, and generic Combine. It also adds all sort of new optional screen effects, and more importantly, updated gameplay with an iron sight function and an optional weapon pack. Notice the trend here... pretty much everything is optional. You can make it fit your desires; HL2 with technically superior visuals, without changing the style.
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Fair enough, I didn't realize that they'd changed Cinematic Mod so much...last time I used it was maybe 2 years ago, when it didn't have all those option settings.

And sure, some games today have extremely impressive character modeling and animation, but I guess I was thinking more along the lines of "Call of Duty Modern Warfare" and it's many "Let's see if we can turn a classic FPS (COD1/2/United Offensive) into a yearly franchise...it works for Madden with millions of people spending 60 bucks a year just for a few name updates, so let's see how many people will buy our 'new' FPS!!!" clones.


I still stand behind my opinion of Half-Life 2 being one of the most timeless games to be released in the past decade. There have been other AMAZING games, like Deus Ex (the original), that simply don't stand the test of time nearly as well. Valve just did an amazing job with making a "modular" engine, allowing them to slowly update graphics and other areas over time. HL2: Lost Coast was a perfect example, being the first time HDR was ever properly implemented in a video game, with nearly perfect execution.
I guess a big part of it is my respect for the immense amount of creativity and work that went into it, rather than just the game's graphics on their own.
   
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Fair enough, I didn't realize that they'd changed Cinematic Mod so much...last time I used it was maybe 2 years ago, when it didn't have all those option settings.

And sure, some games today have extremely impressive character modeling and animation, but I guess I was thinking more along the lines of "Call of Duty Modern Warfare" and it's many "Let's see if we can turn a classic FPS (COD1/2/United Offensive) into a yearly franchise...it works for Madden with millions of people spending 60 bucks a year just for a few name updates, so let's see how many people will buy our 'new' FPS!!!" clones.


I still stand behind my opinion of Half-Life 2 being one of the most timeless games to be released in the past decade. There have been other AMAZING games, like Deus Ex (the original), that simply don't stand the test of time nearly as well. Valve just did an amazing job with making a "modular" engine, allowing them to slowly update graphics and other areas over time. HL2: Lost Coast was a perfect example, being the first time HDR was ever properly implemented in a video game, with nearly perfect execution.
I guess a big part of it is my respect for the immense amount of creativity and work that went into it, rather than just the game's graphics on their own.

Oh I agree with you about how it's just a timeless classic. Its name is held in high regards even today, though with the state of the gaming industry right now, I doubt it would have been very popular if it were released today. So I'd be concerned about HL3, if it were to ever be released. rolleyes.gif

HL2: E2 still has at least "average" graphics in today's standard, which is quite impressive. With HL2, Valve raised the bar not only by releasing an immersive stylistic shooter/platformer with a unique world, but also technically with their engine. It would be cool if they raised this technical bar again.
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